IPA and DIPA homebrew not hoppy

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  1. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    I'm still very new to homebrewing and I'm only brewing 1 gallon batches. So far I've brewed 5 batches, 2 all grain and 3 extract with a small amount of steeping grains, 4 of which were kits and one was a recipe I put together with help from a local homebrew shop . The DIPA was all grain and a kit (brooklyn brew shop) and the IPA (northern brewer's dead ringer) was extract and both of them had almost zero hop flavors. What's up with that? I followed the directions...

    Could it be too much yeast? Each kit came with a normal sized packet of yeast and only called to add half the packet or less since the brew was smaller. I added half or less each time but could that still be too much...should I be more specific and only add 1/4 of the packet or less.

    Or do I need to add more hops during the boil? The DIPA didn't have hop measurements and the Dead Ringer IPA had 23 grams of hops (not quite an oz of hops).

    I'm trying to piece to together my own recipe now for another ipa and I want to try and get it right this time. I have 3 lbs of light dme, a packet of safele us-05, a packet of wyeast 1056, 1 oz citra, 1 oz centennial, 1 oz cascade, 1 oz simcoe...which should be enough for 2 batches with some hops left over for sure. Any tips?

    I do have Ray Daniels book Designing Great Beers and have been reading it but at the moment it seems a bit over kill for one gallon batches.

    Thanks.
     
  2. jamdugan

    jamdugan Zealot (524) Mar 30, 2006 Oregon
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    You're not pitching enough yeast, use the whole pack of US05. You're not adding enough hops. For big IPA flavor in a 6 gallon batch, I use 8-12 oz on the hot side (most at flameout) and 4 oz of dry hops.
     
  3. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    Need to use all the yeast and more hops! Also try dry hopping too.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I personally have not brewed 1 gallon batches.
    Let’s concentrate on the 1 gallon Dead Ringer kit for now:
    “Your Dead Ringer IPA Kit Includes:
    1. Steeping grains and mesh bag Steep approx. 10 minutes—Brew Day, step 2
    2. 1.5 lbs. Northern Brewer Gold malt extract syrup Boil for 45 minutes—Brew Day, step 4
    3. 3.5 grams Centennial hops Boil for 45 minutes—Brew Day, step 4
    4. 3.5 grams Centennial hops Boil for 20 minutes—Brew Day, step 4
    5. 7 grams Centennial hops Boil for 5 minutes—Brew Day, step 4
    6. 7 grams Centennial hops Boil for 0 minutes—Brew Day, step 4
    7. Safale US-05 brewer's yeast Add HALF packet to cooled wort—Brew Day, step 9
      Firstly, ½ packet of US-05 is indeed plenty for a 1 gallon batch. For this particular beer I think that using ½ packet is OK. Using this amount of yeast should not be a big impact from a flavor point of view.
      Let me ‘translate’ the above hopping schedule for a 5 gallon batch (x5) for my benefit:
    • 17.5 grams (0.6 ounces) for 45 minutes
    • 17.5 grams (0.6 ounces) for 20 minutes
    • 35 grams (1.2 ounces ) for 5 minutes
    • 35 grams (1.2 ounces) for 0 minutes
      So, a total of 3.6 ounces for an equivalent 5 gallon batch is not a lot of hops but the late hopping is a fair amount: adding 1+ ounces for flavor (last 5 minutes) and 1+ ounces for aroma (0 minutes) is not unsubstantial.
      Why you are not perceiving hop flavor in your Dead Ringer is mystifying to me. What you can do in the future is add dry hopping to your routine; that will provide more hop aroma (maybe 7 grams for dry hopping; 7-10 days of contact time).
    • Hopefully some others can figure out why you are experiencing “almost zero hop flavors”.
      Cheers!
     
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  5. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    Thanks. The beer is fine, totally drinkable with good color and carbonation but definitely missing the characteristics (no flavor or aroma) of a good ipa, which dead ringer is supposed to be.
     
  6. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    He is brewing one gallon batches
     
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  7. kbuzz

    kbuzz Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina

    I think half a packet is more than enough for single gallon batch.

    What are you using for water? Water has always been a signifcant factor in my hoppier beers.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is no doubt that Dead Ringer should have substantial hop flavor/aroma. The two late additions of 7 grams (each) for 5 & 0 minutes should have provided that substantial hop flavor/aroma. Why you didn’t achieve it is dumbfounding to me.

    Hopefully some other BA will solve this mystery?

    Cheers!
     
  9. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    I'm using tap water. Other suggestions....
     
  10. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    Why would I need a whole packet of yeast for such a small brew and when the instructions say using 1/2 or 1/3?
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As long as your tap water tastes OK, it should be alright to extract brew with your water.

    If you have the ability to carbon filter your tap water that could eliminate the chlorine (or some of the chloramine if that is what your water suppliers uses instead of chlorine); you might find that will be 'better' overall?

    As regards the aspect of "zero hop flavors", tap water should not affect that aspect.

    Cheers!
     
  12. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Are you using a campden tablet in your water to remove the chlorine?

    Also, what are you doing to bottle/transfer the beer??

    Maybe oxidizing the beer a bit, which can cause it to lose some hop flavor.

    That, or a lupulin threshold shift if you drink alot of other hoppy beers anyways.
     
  13. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    I am not using campden tablets. I'd never heard of them until now. For these two beers I transferred it to the fermenter via funnel and a strainer. Maybe it got oxidized then....? My other 3 beers I used tubing and a siphon and they all tasted closer to what I expected , a brown, a saison, and an oak porter.

    And I do drink a lot of hoppy stuff.
     
  14. Groulxsome

    Groulxsome Zealot (723) Apr 9, 2010 Canada (ON)

    While (from the looks of the recipe) the beer ought to have a nice hop component, I think dry hopping would really help out. I brew one gallon batches to try out single hops without any other variables and I generally use 1-2 oz of hops per one gallon batch (It's roughly an APA I brew, so 2 lbs 2-row and 1/3 pack US-05, OG 1.052~). I generally will bitter with Magnum (1-2g at 60) and then use 1/3 of the oz at 15, 1/3 at flameout, 1/3 as a dry hop four days before bottling. The dry hops will help out the the aroma and the generally perception of hops. If you really want some hoppy aroma, pick up an extra 1 oz pack of an interesting American or NZ hop, use the same kit but add half the extra pack at flameout and half as a dry hop. That ought to do it!
     
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  15. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    You can't oxidize your wort prior to fermentation, at least not at pitching temps.
     
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  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The Two Hearted clone from Zymurgy, John Mallet and was the author, Dave Curtis and Ryan Kramer for the homebrew recipe ( all Bells employees) they used-
    1.2 oz. at 45 min.
    1.2 oz. at 30 min.
    3.5 oz dry hop.

    All centennial at 9.1% AA. The OP should consider about .7 oz. of centennial for dry hops to boost aroma.
     
  17. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    Can I dry hop with pellets or are leafs better?
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You can dry hop with either pellets or whole hops. My personal preference is pellets.

    As I posted previously: “What you can do in the future is add dry hopping to your routine; that will provide more hop aroma (maybe 7 grams for dry hopping; 7-10 days of contact time).”

    Cheers!
     
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  19. Groulxsome

    Groulxsome Zealot (723) Apr 9, 2010 Canada (ON)

    Also on the side of pellets for this application. Whole hops are great, but they eat up a lot of the beer and when you only have a gallon to start with, that can be significant even with only 7-10g of dry hops. Plus, they are easier to toss into the jug/carboy without having to secondary to something which makes getting them out again easier.
     
  20. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Running this recipe (as related by Jack above) through Brewersfriend, I get about 40 IBUs, which ain't much for an IPA. You'd have to use double that amount of Centennial as a bittering addition in order to get into the 60-some IBU range that's more typical of IPAs. So given the low amount of bitterness and the fact that you didn't dry hop, it's not too surprising that you're underwhelmed.

    Now, that's assuming these calculations are correct. If this is a kit you bought from a reputable dealer, it seems unlikely they would botch the hopping levels, so perhaps the online calculator I used doesn't work correctly for one gallon batches.
     
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