IPA freshness & Collateral Damage

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by otispdriftwood, Jan 24, 2014.

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  1. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    With all the talk about out of date IPAs, it made me think. What if store owners actually got the message that IPAs should move quickly and decided to stock fewer of them. Fewer names and fewer of each name. If a place is now selling X cases of IPAs but ordering X+ cases of IPAs there's bound to be some that sit on the shelves. The solution is to order X- cases. Personally, I wouldn't like this one bit, especially since it would stand to reason that the most popular ones would be retained. I live in the northern burbs of NYC so I could probably find a store that has some out of the way IPAs, but for those whose selection of stores is limited, this could be a pain in the taste buds. Anyone else?
     
  2. Andrew041180

    Andrew041180 Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Well, for the store owner it comes down to the calculation of what costs more, the expense of over-stocking to avoid stock-outs, or the prospect of under-stocking and not being able to meet demand. In my experience, store owners have universally selected the former.

    For me personally, I have always had the same thought. It would love to walk into the store I frequent most and see its selection slashed and freshness dating observed. I then remind myself that I would be putting a greater amount of my choice in the hands of the store owner, who doesn't know as much about my tastes as I do. Thus, I continue to scan the bottle dates for the freshest beer available.
     
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  3. Smithrob9999

    Smithrob9999 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2011 Texas

    I would think so, I've always thought that brewers should brew more stouts/porters/barrel aged beers. I think IPA's should be brewed in batches and maybe less frequently.
     
  4. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Boooo!
     
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  5. gshak

    gshak Savant (1,220) Feb 20, 2011 Texas

    It would be unrealistic to sell out their entire allocation of IPAs within a day or a week, although I'm sure they'd love it if that were to happen. One suggestion for store owners would be to store the IPAs in a cooler so that way they can be stored for a longer period without affecting the beer's quality drastically.
     
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  6. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    Yes, for the most part, store owners have taken the overstocking route. But in this age of technology getting cheaper and better all the time, I'm worried about the store owner who not only has the technology but knows how and when to use it. Hell, if the American automakers [who seem to need to be hit over the head before they change their practices] can adapt to the Japanese system of only having parts inventory on hand that are going to be used immediately, store owners may not be far behind.
     
  7. brywhite

    brywhite Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2009 California

    If retailers ordered less then older IPA would just start to back up and sit in the distributor's warehouse. I have a feeling that the real problem is that (some) breweries just make too much IPA.
     
  8. caskstrength

    caskstrength Zealot (705) Nov 26, 2008 Minnesota

    It's hard for me to construct an argument why beer store owners caring more about freshness in their IPAs is something that would be bad for those who like fresh IPAs.

    It might mean they stock less of IPAs that sit on their shelves and get old. This means less old IPA on the shelves. This is a good thing.
     
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  9. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

     
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  10. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Then the problem is at the distributor's level. I don't know the procedures, but I'm thinking the distributors could order less, unless of course the brewers make them take a certain number of cases like the distributors make retailers take a certain number of cases.
     
  11. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Which as a result, there would be less selection as my original post stated.
     
  12. caskstrength

    caskstrength Zealot (705) Nov 26, 2008 Minnesota

    Yes, less selection of old IPA. I'm OK with that. If they can't keep fresh IPAs in stock due to high demand, then they'll try to buy more. If it sits around too long they'll buy less.

    I have no interest in buying old IPAs from a store that has a wide selection of old IPAs because they don't care how fresh any of it is. I think you're overthinking things here.
     
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  13. Smithrob9999

    Smithrob9999 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2011 Texas

    Well if it meant fresher IPA's that would be good. I don't mean to the point of not being able to buy it, just not 30 cases stacked up.
     
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  14. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Only one other commenter has touched on the fact that the distributers play a bigger role in this than the liquor stores. If the store owners buy less, the same batch sits in the distributers warehouse, end of story. If you want to question why wholesalers don't just buy less IPA, well, that's a laugh. The wholesalers and brewers work together to sell as much and as fast as possible.
     
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  15. gshak

    gshak Savant (1,220) Feb 20, 2011 Texas

    True, and it makes perfect business sense too. After all, the BMC drinkers make up a sizeable portion of their customer base, and they have every right to fresh beer as do we. Heck, I'm not above picking up a sixer of Coors light if I fancied a light, inoffensive lager, and I sure would prefer to pick them up from the cooler as opposed to a rack...
     
  16. Spiral517

    Spiral517 Zealot (687) Sep 17, 2013 Maryland

    i went into one of the dumpy B&Ws in my neighborhood yesterday just to see if they had anything interesting. I noticed that they had Green Flash West Coast IPA. "Cool", i thought, "haven't noticed that here before". Then I checked the bottle date - 08/21/13. Ugh. Those brews are already 5 months old. Moved on.
     
  17. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I recently picked up a 6er of bitter neighbor (black IPA) and realized after I got home that it was bottled SEVEN months prior. Does anyone know how the freshness issue might differ with a black IPA?
     
  18. gshak

    gshak Savant (1,220) Feb 20, 2011 Texas

    If you consider a black IPA as a overhopped/dry hopped stout (or porter), then after 7 months, pretty much the aromatics would have subsided and the bitterness likely drops a bit allowing the stout-y qualities to show through more. So it ends up a hoppier stout IMO..
     
  19. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    I don't think it's overthinking when my point is that it's the IPAs that get old because they aren't "mainstream" IPAs and which I and others might be interested if they were fresh/fresher. These are the ones that would not be stocked at all. I don't have particulars off the top of my head but they're out there. And once something like this starts, it's forseeable that a store would only stock the 10 leading selling IPAs and in my opinion, a selection limited to the best sellers is not what craft beer is about - it's what BMC is about.
     
  20. brywhite

    brywhite Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2009 California

    Message to breweries; Quality is better than quantity & rarity tastes more delicious.
    Message to distributors; Push back on breweries & move product in/out faster
    Message to retailers; Please refrigerate IPA & do not store in a sunny location.
    Message to consumers; Drink more & enjoy life
     
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