IPA recipe critique

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  1. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    This is the second time brewing this. it was not even close to being hoppy enough. so I doubled all the hop additions. Let me know what you think.

    Last time I brewed this. I hit my OG and FG and everything turned out good, it tasted outstanding but it was just missing the hop bitter bite that an IPA should have.

    All grain
    6.0 gallon
    60 minuet boil
    75 minuet mash
    OG 1.084
    FG 1.019
    ABV 8.7%

    Grain bill:
    Pale Malt (2row) 16lbs 5.1oz
    Cara-Pils/dextrine 1lbs 7.2oz
    Caramunich Malt 1lbs 2.4oz
    Honey Malt 10.4 oz

    Hops:
    Simcoe 2.5oz 60 min
    Simcoe 1 oz 30 min
    Simcoe 2.8 oz 10 min
    Simcoe 2.8 oz 5 min
    Citra 2.8 oz 1 min
    German Hull Melon 3 oz dry hopped for 10 days

    Yeast 2 packets of SafAle English S-04

    14 days in primary and 10 days in secondary.
     
  2. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    I think that's a pretty high FG for a DIPA. Maybe mash lower, substitute some table sugar to help dry it out, and 05 instead of S-04.
     
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  3. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    I'd suggest cutting your carapils and caramunich in half and upping the base malt.

    2.5 oz bittering addition seems a bit excessive. You can shoot for 40-50 IBUs with your bittering addition and then get the rest of your bitterness from large late hop additons. I'd bitter with something else like Columbus or Magnum and move all that Simcoe to FO with the Citra. It wouldn't be a bad idea to move that 30 min Simcoe to later in the boil as well. You may want to consider putting half of your FO hops in right when you come off the heat and then add the other half when you're under 170-180 degrees.
     
  4. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I would dial back the carapils, caramunich and honey malt a bit since the sweetness of those may hide some of the bitterness you are looking for. Speaking of which, what kind of bitterness are you looking for? Something like Stone IPA which comes across harsh (but good) to me or something like Two Hearted which seems a little "smoother". Are you looking for a lot of hop flavor or mostly bitterness?
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    You are asking your hops to compete with a seriously-bodied beer. As alanforbeer says, ditch some grain for sugar, this will not make your beer sweet . . . rather it will make it drier and give your hops a chance to compete. I would target a 1.012'ish FG. My other suggestion is to use Vikeman's water profile for IPAs, available in Brewcipher (my software crashes), but if asked nicely he might post here. There is a reason world-class IPAs didn't originate in Pilsen or Munich: Water - - - the Last Frontier.
     
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  6. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    @wspscott more like a 2 hearted style. I had a lot of hop flavor and aroma but the bitter taste wasnt there. @PortLargo what sugar do you add and how much. I currently use beersmith. Im trying to get as much knowledge as i can thank you for all the help.
     
  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I use corn sugar up to 10% of fermentables, although cane sugar is chemically identical.

    Here's a pretty good blueprint to follow for a DIPA (Pliny clone). Note this also has an aggressive dry hop schedule. I admit to no shame in copying this (several times) as the results speak for themselves.
     
  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    That much Simcoe at 60 and 30 mins should make a very bitter beer if you dial back the caramel malts. I would try it with just the honey malt. Also, @PortLargo's comment about water is definitely worth paying attention to. Do you know what your water looks like? Have you tried distilled water and adding minerals to get the profile you need for a beer like this?
     
  9. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    Alright guys a lowered the grain bill in half (caramunich and cara-pils) and added the corn sugar and reduced the hops. my SG was a little low 1.075 instead of 1.085 but over all it turned out great. I have vigorous fermentation (I have a blow off tub in use) and the corner of the lid came off or it wasn't on tight because it was foaming from the corner. This will also be my first batch of beer I will keg.
     
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  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Did you lower the honey malt as well? You've got quite a bit in there, that would be enough to mask some of the bitterness alone.
     
  11. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    +1 on ditching the 04. The Chico yeast will express the hops probably better than any other yeast.

    Edit: apparently too late on this post.
     
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  12. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    I did not lower the honey @FATC1TY , I will try that next batch. I will also try the 05 instead of the 04 as well.
     
  13. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    Just did a gravity check starting was 1.075 and now it is down to 1.009. This was the first time taking the lid off, it smells delightful and is a nice color.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    You are definitely doing something right with that FG...nice job. Hopefully, the temp control was there also :slight_smile:
     
  15. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    @GreenKrusty101 no temp control, I do have a Johnson controller for my chest freezer that holds my beers for the cellar. I just picked up a STC-100 and I am planning on wiring up an additional controller and building a chamber for fermentation.

    I have an oxygen wand and pump pure oxygen for 60 seconds before pitching the yeast, before I would shake the bucket and stir to infuse oxygen into the wort but this oxygen set up is worth the money and I have seen better results.
     
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