IPA Recipe Critique

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by GatorBeer, Sep 18, 2012.

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  1. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    I'm shooting for a dry, bright, citrusy IPA with tons of aroma. My recipe is for 2 gallons so I'm just going to do percentages so there's no scaling issues. If you want me to post the recipe as is I can.

    91% 2-row
    4.5% Carapils
    4.5% Crystal 20L

    Columbus (30 mins)
    Centennial, simcoe (15)
    Centennial, simcoe (5)
    Centennial, simcoe (Flameout)
    Centennial, simcoe, columbus (Dry hop)​

    Mash @ 150F
    WLP001 @66-68

    OG-1.066​
    FG-1.014​
    IBU-87​
    I'm worried this isn't going to be as dry and sweet as I want. I know some recipes add some corn sugar to dry it out and get some sweetness, think I should do that here? Also, anybody ever use this hop combination? I'm going to keep the columbus because I have a ton of it, but I'm open to other suggestions.​
     
  2. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 California

    This will get you right where you want to be. I pretty much made this one earlier this year and got 1st place at a comp:

    http://kettleandcellar.blogspot.com/2012/05/pipa.html

    Skip the 5 and move it to post flame out. Go big on the 15 min addition for the sticky.

    I used 10% Crystal, but it was sweeter than I would go for again, especially given all the Centennial (which totally bring thier own sweetness, somehow). Actually, I planned on re-doing it with the exact grain bill you've got there but equal parts Simcoe, Centennial, and Columbus at 15, 0, and DH.

    You will love it.
     
  3. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    Cheers, sounds like I'm definitely going to do this. Any thoughts on sugar to dry it out even more?
     
  4. whereizzy

    whereizzy Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2011 Wisconsin

    Might want to ditch the carapils if you want it more dry. What ratio is the Simcoe at? That can get pretty dank in my opinion.
     
  5. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    Centennial and simcoe are both 1oz, Columbus is 1-1.5 oz.
     
  6. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    just wondering...
    as per the OP's post, he didn't seem to want any bitterness.
    just wondering if its ever considered wrong to NOT have a 60 min hop addition? he could easily just do 0.25 oz of columbus at 60 min versus doing X oz of hops at 30 min. the 30 min addition will give some bitterness.

    interested on people's takes on that
     
  7. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    The way I understand it is at 60 minutes you need less hops to get high IBU. At 30 minutes, you need more hops because of the shorter boil, but you actually get some flavor and aroma there too because it doesn't boil off.

    I'm a huge proponent of hop bursting aka late hopping thought, so I might be wrong and/or biased. I pretty much only do 30 minute and under hop additions in hoppy beers.
     
  8. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i thought that the flavour (not just the bitterness) is different at 60 vs 30 min.
    if i were brewing, i'd stick to a small 60 min bittering, a small 30 min bittering, and then 15 min, flameout and dry hopping. I'd debate that the 30 and 15 min additions are redundant and one can probably be eliminated (or a 20 min addition can be done instead of using hops twice).
     
  9. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    You see to be confused regarding what dry means. Dryness, in beverage terms, means a lack of sweetness, so something cannot, by definition, be both dry and sweet, nor can an ingredient add both dryness and sweetness.

    When malt gravity is replaced by a simple sugar like corn sugar, which is 100% fermentable, it lowers the final gravity of the beer, resulting in a dryer beer, it does not add sweetness.
     
  10. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    I think what I'm trying to refer to is the perceived sweetness, not the literal sweetness left from residual sugars. I was under the impression (incorrectly?) that drying the beer out would help bring out some perceived sweetness as well as obviously boosting gravity because it would all ferment out.
     
  11. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    I'm not sure that I see how making a beer less sweet could make you perceive it as more sweet. This would be like saying "using half as much sugar to make your lemonade would make you perceive it as being more sweet", it just doesn't make sense to me.
     
  12. mattsander

    mattsander Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2010 Canada (AB)

    Big late hop additions do contribute to perceived sweetness in some ways. The recipe you've posted is a typical west coast IPA grain bill with lots of late kettle hops, there's no reason it wont work out fine. A 1.066 beer finishing at 87 BUs is going to have a savage perceived bitterness.
     
  13. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    I think what I'm trying to get across is that alcohol is perceived as sweet by the us so adding more sugar aka increasing alcohol should make this appear sweeter to our tastes. Forget I ever said 'dry' because that's now confusing even me.

    When you say savaged do you mean that in a bad way?
     
  14. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    added sugar doesn't increase sweetness.
    your grain bill and your mash temp are what control sweetness.
    sugar gets converted to alcohol and, but adding sugar, you're adding alcohol.
    by having a mash temp at 150 F, you are having a "dryer" beer. more is fermented. by having a mash temp at 154-156 F, you have less fermentables. by using Crystal, you are having more sweetness.
     
  15. mattsander

    mattsander Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2010 Canada (AB)

    I just mean it will be very bitter. In general an IPA of this size would fall in the 60-70 IBU range.
     
  16. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I think this is a situation that servers run into a lot when suggesting wine. (Probably not as much now as a few years ago). People think that "Fruity" means "sweet", so if a "fruity" wine is suggest, they'll say, "no, I don't like sweet wine", even though it is a dry wine. Just a confusion over vocabulary. I'm not sure if I'm articulating this very well.

    I think the OP wants a lot of citrus and fruit flavors from the hops, but a dry beer, as the dryness will let the hops stand out a bit more.
     
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