IPA recipe help

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  1. kuhndog

    kuhndog Maven (1,398) Sep 6, 2011 New York
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    Does this recipe look ok? I'm trying to make my own recipe, loosely based off a Trillium Congress St. clone and another NE IPA recipe. Should I increase the C40 or honey malt? This will be fermented at 59-61 degrees, the temp of my basement.

    Brew Method: Extract
    Style Name: American IPA
    Boil Time: 60 min
    Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (ending kettle volume)

    STATS:
    Original Gravity: 1.068
    Final Gravity: 1.017
    ABV (standard): 6.65%
    IBU (tinseth): 70.75

    FERMENTABLES:
    7 lb - Dry Malt Extract - Extra Light - (late addition) (73.7%)
    1 lb - Dry Malt Extract - Wheat (10.5%)
    0.5 lb - Corn Sugar - Dextrose (5.3%)

    STEEPING GRAINS:
    8 oz - American - Caramel / Crystal 40L (5.3%)
    8 oz - Canadian - Honey Malt (5.3%)

    HOPS:
    0.25 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 60 min, IBU: 18.22
    0.5 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 10 min, IBU: 13.21
    1.5 oz - Galaxy, Type: Pellet, AA: 14.25, Use: Whirlpool for 0 min at 180 °F, IBU: 29.11
    0.5 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Whirlpool for 0 min at 180 °F, IBU: 10.21
    4 oz - Galaxy, Type: Pellet, AA: 14.25, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days
    1.5 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days
    (Dry hop day 3 or 4)

    YEAST:
    Fermentis / Safale - English Ale Yeast S-04
     
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I don't like honey malt or crystal in my ipa, so I won't weigh in on the grist. Hops look ok. Maybe split the dryhop into two additions, one near the end of fermentation for biotransformations, one after fermentation is complete. Also, esters are common in these beers. Fermenting that cool may hinder the production of esters.
    edit, that fg looks high, especially with your sugar additions.
     
  3. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    As already mentioned you should probably drop down the crystal and honey quite a bit. If it was me I would drop the honey completely if going for Congress St qualities. I also agree that your FG is too high for this size beer. It will be too sweet. I would just shift everything down 4 or 5 points starting with the OG. Good choice on the SO4. I like that yeast for the style.
     
  4. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I've never had the beer you are referencing but I have made a few NEIPAs that were great. 5% is my honey malt max. I normally shoot for 2-4% for beers that I want the nutty, malty, dryness I get from honey malt.
     
  5. MyThoughtsExactly

    MyThoughtsExactly Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2015 Virginia

    SO4 should be fine but it is pretty well known that WLP007 is their house yeast.

    Water is pretty important to a NEIPA do you plan on adjusting your water?
     
  6. kuhndog

    kuhndog Maven (1,398) Sep 6, 2011 New York
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    I dropped the C40 and honey malt down to 3oz each.
    I was going to use wlp007 but I think it's too cold in my basement to use.
    I won't be adjusting my water this time. I haven't advanced that far in my brewing technique yet.
    I dropped the DME down 1lb. That gives me (brewers friend calc) OG: 1.058 FG: 1.015 ABV: 5.76% Does this look ok? Abv seems a little low to me.
     
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  7. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I would boost your OG up a little and try to increase you attenuation with a lower mash and/or a little more sugar.
     
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  8. kuhndog

    kuhndog Maven (1,398) Sep 6, 2011 New York
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    Now I'm confused.
    Should I add more sugar?
     
  9. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I wouldn't do more than 0.75 lbs total. Increase the extract a little too and mash between 148-150
     
  10. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    For a trillium type beer, I would use flaked oats and/or flaked wheat, and/or golden naked oats, and/or white wheat. While I'm no expert at this style, I would get rid of crystal and sugar, and replace with the above mentioned specialties. I've always thought crystal wasn't great for hoppy beers. Also sugar creates a dry a finish which is not typically in this style.

    Also, I know you mentioned water chemistry isn't a part of your equation yet, but pH is really important to control with extract brews in my experience mostly for the ending color of the beer. Do you use tap water or purchase spring water? Before I did a water test, I would blindly put 2-4oz of acidulated malt based on my LHBS suggestions. They said even if your pH was "fine", a few oz of acidulated wouldn't hurt. Also if using tap water with this style, treating with a campden tablet is important to get rid of chlorine/chloramine which will cause a rubbery flavor.

    Cheers! Report back with changes you end up making at the result!
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    While I agree that in an all grain recipe flaked adjuncts should be used, from my experience wheat dme works in a pinch.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sadly, sage advice like this can be had at many LHBSs.
     
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  13. jcmmvp

    jcmmvp Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2017 Sweden

    0% dextrose. 0% carmel malt what so ever and max 2% honey malt. and just because its cloudy does not make an NEIPA. At. All.
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Weihenstephaner makes an awesome banana NEIPA. I wonder where they get banana hops?
     
  15. jmich24

    jmich24 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    My advice would to increase the wheat DME. My reasoning is that wheat DME is only around 50% wheat, if I remember correctly.

    Personally, I would go 30-40% wheat DME and 60-70% Extra Light or Muntons Light DME. No sugar or malt for your first try.

    If you insist on using crystal, use one this time and try the other next time. This way you can decide your preference. Keep the crystal or honey and sugar to around 2-5 percent each.

    Take notes and try to dial in the recipe to YOUR Preference! When dialing in a recipe, changing very few variables at one time.

    Dry hop your first addition during active fermentation, around 48 hours in. The other half of the dry hop add around day 7-10 once fermentation is subsiding.

    Good Luck
     
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  16. kuhndog

    kuhndog Maven (1,398) Sep 6, 2011 New York
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    Thanks for all the help! Here's what I've decided on:
    FERMENTABLES:
    6 lb - Dry Malt Extract - Extra Light - (late addition) (69.1%)
    2.5 lb - Dry Malt Extract - Wheat (28.8%)

    STEEPING GRAINS:
    3 oz - Canadian - Honey Malt (2.2%) (I personally like honey malt. Plus it adds a little color)

    Hop schedule, same as above. Will split the dry hop additions.
    I'll report back in a couple of weeks with an update.
     
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  17. jcmmvp

    jcmmvp Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2017 Sweden

    There is a hops called "Jarrylo" that can give of some banana flavors and/or prob belgian or a wit yeast.
     
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