IPA recipe

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  1. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    i brewed this recipe 3 weeks ago and now that it is finished being carbonated it is too sweet
    5 gallon batch
    13 lbs pale ale 2 row
    1 lb caramel 40
    1 pound Clara pils

    1 oz Columbus at 60
    1oz centenial at 20
    1oz simcoe at 10
    1oz Amarillo at 5
    Flameout 2 oz citra and 1oz cascade
    Dry hop in keg with 1oz citra 1oz simcoe and 1 oz Amarillo
    2 vials of Cali v yeast



    After a week the hops shined good but Each day it sits it gets sweeter
     
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  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    1# of caramel makes a sweet beer. Try 4-6oz. next time. Also try to get the FG around 1.008-1.010.
     
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  3. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    2# of crystal and a mid-attenuating yeast are to blame here. What was your FG?
     
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  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I would think it would taste a little less sweet with a little carbonic acid from carbonation. I think the original problem is ~3# too much grainbill (base and caramel). What you have there is a ~IIPA. Your hop utilization could also be a little lower than expected. Cheers

    Oh, you could also be undergoing a lupulin threshhold shift : )
     
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  5. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    1018 and it finished at 1020 I had Beersmith set for 65 percent efficiency
     
  6. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I have learned and I think the yeast has been to fruity
     
  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    How many all-grain batches have you brewed?...there are a lot of variables. Cali 5 leaves a little more dextrins...which would be near perfect for a Sans Crystal IPA : )
     
  8. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    5 but the first time using this yeast usually I use wyeast 1056 for my pale ale
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    The crystal, carapils, high gravity, and yeast choice all sort of combined here to give you a higher finishing gravity than is desirable in an IPA. You could do several things that could help out in the future.
    (1) Mash lower to make a more fermentable wort (maybe; don't really know where you mashed)
    (2) Sub some sugar for base malt to make a more fermentable wort
    (3) Cut back or eliminate crystal to make a less sweet more fermentable wort
    (4) Cut back or eliminate carapils to make a more fermentable wort
    (5) Use WLP001/WY1056/S-05 for greater attenuation
    (6) More healthy yeast (e.g., via pitch rate, better oxygen).
     
  10. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    as noted I will change it up next time...I use 1056 for my pale ale but my son wanted to use cali v and I told him I thought it would be too sweet
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    My first point of attack in reducing sweetness would be the crystal malt and carapils. The averagely perfect ipa had a good balance for the style, IMO, with the total of crystal and carapils at approximately half of what you used. As I just posted in the two hearted clone thread I started, I like this yeast strain (CaliV=1272=BRY-97, I think) and really haven't found it to be too sweet personally, but I also like a little sweetness in my IPAs. Here's hoping the 1# of crystal in that clone doesn't make me eat my words.
     
  12. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    My son read good things about this yeast and I believe as you and others have stated it was a combination of things. I don't like a sweet IPA myself, I want the hops to shine:wink:
     
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  13. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Caramel malts plus oxidation of a highly hopped beer, such as an IPA, will produce an increase in apparent sweetness. This could be part of your problem.
     
  14. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    interesting because last night my wife said it had a strong alchohol taste and overly sweet almost like a desert booze. The beer finished at 6.6%

    Some good advise thanks everyone, back to the drawing board
     
  15. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    I didn't see any mention about your fermentation temp or set up but I believe if you ferment too high it could lead to a boozy alcohol flavor.

    Proper mash temp and good fermentation temp shouldn't cause any 6.6% beer to taste boozy. I just brewed a 6.4% ipa in which I mashed low around 151 and fermented pretty low at 64, Cali yeast strain, and the beer drinks like a 5% beer. When I was drinking one of the first bottles I was thought does this even have alcohol but at the time I was done with bomber I had a buzz.

    Temp control = good beer.
     
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  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Fermenting at higher temps generally is thought to lead to a less fermentable wort, with more dextrin content, creating more body in the beer, and hence, a lower abv due to a high finishing gravity. How does this lead to boozy alcohol flavor?
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Fermentation at too high a temp does cause the yeast to produce fusels. The reasons you gave are for high mash temperatures.
     
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  18. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Mash temp was 152 and It fermented at 70 degrees for 3 days and 68 for 11.
     
  19. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Ambient or internal temp? 70* ambient is higher than ideal for the first few days of fermentation. Even 70* internal is higher than most with temp control are aiming for.
     
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  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Thanks. Brain was in the wrong place. As you surmised, my eyes saw fermentation, my hands typed fermentation, and my brain processed mash. The human brain early in the morning and low on caffeine is a scary thing. Amazing I can arrive at work in one piece in the morning.
     
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