IPAs/DIPAs with decent shelf life

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  1. LCB_Hostage

    LCB_Hostage Zealot (659) Jan 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I'm definitely not a zealot when it comes to having to drink beer with 30 seconds of it rolling off the bottling line, but I will concede that IPAs in particular can suffer over time. That said, I have a case of Racer 5 I've been working my way through for 3-4 months now. With all the other great IPAs in my fridge, it's taking me longer than I'd anticipated, but I have to say, time doesn't seem to have caught up to these beers yet. I opened one last night and it was still fresh, tasty and refreshing. I've noticed that Bear Republic's Hop Rod Rye seems to hold up well, also. Other IPAs/DIPAs that seem to stand the test of time (IMO), including Smuttynose Finest Kind, Stone's Ruination, Green Flash West Coast IPA and Palate Wrecker, Victory Hopwallop and Lagunitas Maximus.

    On the other side of the ledger, from my experience, are Flower Power, Union Jack and Double Jack, SN Torpedo and especially Hoptimum, Centenial, Sculpan and Deviant Dales (probably the most noticeable drop off of any I've listed).

    Anyone else want to offer their personal observations? Any explanations (different types of hops, brewing process, etc.)
     
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  2. Momar42

    Momar42 Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Maryland

    Dark Horse Double Crooked Tree is fantastic with over a year on it. Becomes a DIPA/BW liquid delight.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In your post I definitely agree that Flower Power, Union Jack and Sculpin ‘fall of the cliff’ in a relatively short period of time.

    In my opinion, several of the Sierra Nevada hoppy beers seem to hold up well. In particular, I think that SNPA and Celebration Ale are still fairly tasty beers even with 3-5 months of age on them (I don’t have much experience with Torpedo in this regard).

    It was asked: “Any explanations (different types of hops, brewing process, etc.)” I have a theory that IPAs/DIPAs who rely on dry hopping to ‘define’ their flavors are the beers that experience the most hop fade in the shortest period of time.

    The other aspect that effects how long a hoppy beer like an IPA/DIPA holds up is how well the beer is packaged; you want minimal oxygen ingress during the bottling or canning operation. Part of hop fading is an oxidation process so if the brewery has a ‘top of the line’ canning/bottling line, which introduces minimal oxygen into the package, the slower the oxidation processes will occur and slower hop fade.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Pooh-Bah (2,988) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
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    Yeah, I've really noticed that Hop Wallop does a good job of not deteriorating into nothing after a length of time. Not sure it can go a year and still be good, but I've had a 6 month bottle that I really liked.

    Hop Wallop is bottle conditioned - maybe that has something to do with it?
     
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  5. ChanChan

    ChanChan Maven (1,341) Dec 12, 2009 California

    Kern River Citra is King for me with 5+ months on it! I have yet to have one I didn't truly enjoy!!
    Lagunitas Sucks. Has held up pretty well for the past 3-4 months, I still find it tastier than most other IPA's!!
     
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  6. LCB_Hostage

    LCB_Hostage Zealot (659) Jan 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Thanks Jack. Both of your points make a lot of sense. We'd all like to believe that every brewer has the resources and the know-how to execute something like their bottling operation flawlessly, but the truth is probably far different. And I agree that the nose on dry-hopped beers definitely tends to fade quickly, which of course has a noticeable effect on the beer in general.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I did not realize that Hop Wallop was bottle conditioned. Bottle Conditioning does indeed help a beer resist staling. The presence of the yeast in the bottle scavenges oxygen as part of the bottle conditioning process. Less oxygen present means that oxidation is minimized and consequently hop fading is minimized.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. Mikecap

    Mikecap Pooh-Bah (2,098) May 18, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I definitely agree that Smutty and Ruination (two of my favorites) can withstand a few months without losing any of their great taste. I often buy way too much torpedo when and goes on sale and find that it can hold up pretty well too. 90 minute and Southern Tier 2X IPA hold up pretty well also.
     
  9. Bonis

    Bonis Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2010 Ohio

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    I believe the malt bill plays a role in addition to hop additions and bottle conditioning. I think IPAs which rely on added sugars to boost alcohol levels will not hold up as well as IPAs which are all malt. Just a personal theory. I would also think that higher doses of flavor hops will help an IPA's shelf life as well, but this may also contribute to vegetal flavors in the long run.
     
  10. mindfuldave

    mindfuldave Savant (1,089) Mar 22, 2011 New Jersey

  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ …know-how to execute something like their bottling operation flawlessly…” Well, it is often a matter of economics vs. knowledge. For example, Victory made a business decision to buy a state of the art Krones bottling line which has the feature that it performs a double evacuation of the bottles with CO2. Purging the bottles twice with CO2 greatly displaces the air (oxygen) so the next result is a very small amount of residual oxygen in the bottles.

    Even with this super-duper bottling line, Victory has a fairly short best by timeframe for their core beers: 5 months for Prima Pils, Lager, HopDevil. Headwaters, etc.

    I am not in the beer industry but I am sure that the Krones bottling line that Victory purchased costs a ‘pretty penny’. Other breweries may not have the money to purchase a bottling line like that or they simply make the business decision that it is not worth it to them.

    Brewing is a business at the end of the day.

    Cheers!
     
  12. LCB_Hostage

    LCB_Hostage Zealot (659) Jan 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Right. Which is why I specified "resources and know-how." I fully recognize that many smaller breweries are operating on a shoestring as they struggle to grow. As, such I'm prepared to cut them some slack, particularly when they provide the service of adding "best by" dates to their products. Brewers who take that step, knowing that it might cost them sales and result in returned product, earn my respect. They're taking a long-term approach of attempting to keep customers happy with their products instead of trying to sell every bottle that rolls off the line, even if it's past its prime. That, to me, is good business.
     
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  13. DaKur

    DaKur Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2012 Rhode Island

    Hoptimum tasted awesome at 1 year old.
     
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  14. claaark13

    claaark13 Maven (1,412) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
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    Out of the bottle, I actually think Two Hearted is best around the 1-month mark, and can last with good flavors at/beyond month #2. I'm very critical about my IPAs being fresh, so I'm always surprised that it seems to hold up so well. I've probably bought Bell's their entire Black Note barrel supply through Two Hearted sales over the past couple years.
     
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  15. legend8706

    legend8706 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2012 Virginia

    Abrasive for sure. Had one recently that was canned in February and with 4+ months on it, it was still superb!
     
  16. 2Xmd

    2Xmd Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 New York

    Just had a Sucks from January and it was just as good as I remembered.
     
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  17. PlayaPlaya

    PlayaPlaya Zealot (631) Sep 19, 2012 Illinois

    Lake Eerie Monster - First time I had it, I thought the "Best By" date on the bottle was the bottling date....
    I took it home, popped it open and thought it was one of the best beers I've ever had...I then carefully read the label to see the "Best By" date passed nearly 2 months ago......

    It is also bottle conditioned, which probably is quite a good chunk of the reason it holds up so well.....
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Are you aware that Bell’s states that Two Hearted has a best by timeframe of 6 months?

    Cheers!
     
  19. Crazy4LegMoose

    Crazy4LegMoose Zealot (583) Jun 24, 2008 Massachusetts

    I agree Double Jack drops off. I had one recently that was bottled in march and thought it was ok. Felt like it lost a little something. Jai Alai also loses some of its hop bite after a couple months.
     
  20. claaark13

    claaark13 Maven (1,412) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
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    I'm not, but I am aware that it tastes sorta shitty after 4-5 months compared to 1-2.
     
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