Irish moss effects on fermentation

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  1. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    This past weekend my buddy and I brewed 2 batches of the same beer. The batches were brewed one after the other (same day), identical recipes and the yeast was pitched at the same time (end of the brew day). The only difference is that we forgot to add the whirlfloc tablets to the first batch. As expected, right away batch #1 was significantly cloudier in the fermenter than batch #2. The odd thing is that the 2 fermentations look completely different. Below are 2 photos, first photo=batch #1 (no whirlfloc) and second is batch #2 (with whirlfloc). Batch #2 looks normal to me, a foamy krausen. Batch #1 is different looking, it is not as foamy and the yeast on top seems to have almost dried up. Any ideas on why there are so different?

    Some info on the beer:
    yeast=US-05
    both batches hit with pure O2
    OG=1.052

    Thanks.

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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My initial reaction is that for some reason Batch #1 just hasn’t started as quickly as Batch#2. Since these are two batches brewed separately I would not necessarily state that the difference in the robustness of the fermentation start is solely due to the whirlfloc/no whirlfloc situation. I would be willing to bet that that with just some more time (10 hours?) the two batches will look more alike than not alike.

    Please report back on how the two batches progress.

    Cheers!
     
  3. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I wouldn't worry about it..

    It's probably that when cooling you managed to get more shit in the fermenter, and the yeast is pushing and pulling that heavier particular and break material around in the fermenter. Causing less krausen and that spotty rafty junk.

    That, or something didn't take as fast.. The first batch looks to be a bit behind, like it's starting to krausen.
     
  4. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    They are both past high krausen. The yeast was pitched saturday night, so about 5 days in. I will take gravity readings of both.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You are a more careful reader than I; I ‘missed’ the 5 days part. Batch #1 is winding down faster than Batch #2.

    Cheers to you!
     
  6. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    Batch #1 clocks in at 1.015
    Batch #2 is at 1.017
     
  7. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    They both taste fine. I just found it odd that there was a noticeable difference.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Batch #1 is winding down faster than Batch #2.
     
  9. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Yeast is a fickle being...
     
  10. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Too much protein has passed through your fermentation in Batch 1, chilling this beer will help you to cold crash some haze but I think it is not going to be enough .

    You need to get rid of that protein turbidity otherwise chill haze is going to diminish substantially beer shelf life.You can use Silica Gel or Polyclar plus gelatin as fining agents to try to solve this problem
     
  11. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    I plan to hit batch 1 with gelatin since we missed the irish moss. Not worried about shelf life, they will be drank quickly!!
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Not worried about shelf life, they will be drank quickly!!” In that case the addition of gelatin is very much optional. Are you bothered by the appearance of a slightly cloudy beer? If so, then add gelatin. If not, then just bottle and enjoy. The presence of haze (chill haze) really does not impact beer flavor.

    Cheers!
     
  13. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I do not see a problem with either of those pictures. They could be the same fermenter on different days IMO, which they actually are in a sense if I am reading this post correctly.
     
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