Is $4$ really always necessary

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by nmoore6, Jul 22, 2015.

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  1. nmoore6

    nmoore6 Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2011 Massachusetts

    Just wondering people's thoughts on this. My friends slammed me the other day because of a trade. I "lost" because I didn't get equal monetary value. The beer I was trading for isn't expensive but I can't get it any other way than a trade. I feel like we both won, we both got to try a long sought after beer. Thoughts?
     
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  2. mklisz

    mklisz Pooh-Bah (1,923) Dec 31, 2010 New Hampshire
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    No, definitely not always necessary. When I started trading, I would do simple $4$ trades locals for locals. As I continued, getting into harder to find beers, I realized other factors come into play, such as:

    - Bottles counts / availability / perceived rarity / quality of the beer.
    - Liquid volume.
    - Not trying to screw people over.
    - Actually aiming to outdo your trading partner.
    - etc.

    I don't worry about winning so much anymore; it's more about having both sides feel like they've won, which seems is the case for you.
     
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  3. tikk

    tikk Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2007 Canada (YT)

    At the end of the day it only matiers that you were both happy with the trade. If you both got beers you want then it's fine. I've gone way over for a beer I wanted and I've been way under for something my partner wanted. A good trader should make up the difference with locals, but it isn't necessary.

    To me winning a trade is that both of us are happy and got the beers we want.
     
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  4. mad3air

    mad3air Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2013 Delaware

    No way.

    Extreme example... I trade you a KBBS for 5 beers. I'm assuming those 5 beers may be $100 or more. There's no way I would send (or you would expect) another $80 in beer from me.

    Trades are all about supply/demand, bottle counts, desire, how easy to obtain, etc. You're happy, they're happy. Done deal!
     
  5. ResIpsaLoquitur

    ResIpsaLoquitur Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2010 New York
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    you need new friends :wink:
     
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  6. JavaNoire

    JavaNoire Savant (1,163) Dec 4, 2010 Iowa

    I rarely know how much the beers I'm trading for cost, nor do I care.
     
  7. ninjembro

    ninjembro Zealot (748) Jun 17, 2014 Maryland
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    To the KBBS example though I'd hope you would at least throw in a couple extras to at least even out the oz a little
     
  8. Ready4aHeady

    Ready4aHeady Pundit (915) Sep 22, 2013 New York

    i actually came here to post this very question myself and agree with all of the comments above.... a guy claimed I was what was wrong with beer trading because I didn't go strictly on $4$-- of course he wouldn't have complained if he was on the one who spent less on his bottle--- bottom line is it works well for relatively inexpensive and common beers but that's it!
     
  9. JonathanC

    JonathanC Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2013 California

    supply/demand trumps most.

    $4$ works for similar rarity/demand i suppose

    kbbs/MD is just on another planet
     
  10. nmoore6

    nmoore6 Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2011 Massachusetts

    This all makes sense to me. I'm just going to continue trading how I've been trading then!
     
  11. Scarfer_Brad

    Scarfer_Brad Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2014 Florida
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    normally the people who try strict $4$ don't have beer that has the demand or rarity. so they try to do $4$ to trade their no quit mass produced beer for limited hard to get beer. like people before me said as long as both people are happy it is a great trade
     
  12. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    In the past year I have traded $4$ with the following bottles as part of various trades:
    Black Tuesday
    Rum Black Tuesday
    Grey Monday
    ADWTD
    BCBCS
    BCBW
    Surly Darkness
    RR Sours
    KBS
    BBPt5th
    Parabola
    Huna
    Dark Lord
    Heady
    Permanent Funeral
    CW 17
    BA Behemoth
    Casey Sours
    Sexual Chocolate
    Omega Point
    Black Note

    There are probably others I am forgetting.

    The point is, that some pretty darn awesome limited and hard to get beers regularly trade $4$ - the only things that really don't go $4$ are whales and hyped brewery only releases from a handful of breweries.
     
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  13. Moc513

    Moc513 Initiate (0) May 24, 2012 New York
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    If you are both happy with the trade, who cares what anyone else thinks?
     
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  14. Ready4aHeady

    Ready4aHeady Pundit (915) Sep 22, 2013 New York

    I agree with the comment above--- I rarely know what other beers sell for around the country, and I don't really care
     
  15. JFresh21

    JFresh21 Savant (1,036) Mar 6, 2012 Illinois
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    No. Next question.
     
  16. luwak

    luwak Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2010 Arizona

    why?
    this is some new thing now to take the dollar value so into consideration?
    money is irrelevant in almost all cases
    if you're thinking about money you may as well go buy the beer from places that sell it.
     
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  17. Ready4aHeady

    Ready4aHeady Pundit (915) Sep 22, 2013 New York

    a lot goes into pricing irrespective of the quality level.... for example, a gallon of gas costs $2.20 in new jersey while the same quality gas costs $4.40 in San Francisco (for a variety of reasons).... does that mean I have to give you 2 gallons of gas for your 1 if i'm in the east and your out west!? And let's face it, a lot of beer turns to gas eventually!
     
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