It's high time that we update Beer Styles!

So with the addition of these, there would be 3 NE categories? NEPA, NEIPA, and NEIIPA?
I guess this thread isn't for me then.. :-) It would be very hard to separate beer into APA and NEPA the way so many beers blend styles now. Can someone give me a current example of what may be considered a NEPA? Possibly Two Roads Lil' Heaven? I consider that a session IPA. How about that for a category? BA lists Lil' Heaven as American IPA at 4.8%.

 

Just in case I did a poor job of conveying the appropriate tone, I was sincerely trying to help you rather than criticize. That's why I bothered to post. But on the topic of expanding styles, your comment of, "doesn't Avery make one?" reveals everything you need to know though.

"Pumpkin beer" exists as a distinct category here because of the collective volume, visibility and impact those beers have in our marketplace. If there were only a handful of brewers producing them, they would get lumped in with the fruit beer or spiced beer categories alongside a "banana beer." The same logic holds true for what you're describing. If there were a very large volume of high ABV "pumpkin stouts," then it might reach a tipping point that would lend itself to fragmenting the category here. Without that, you're just splitting categories for every little variety of beer.

If someone thinks it's unfair to compare a pumpkin stout with a 4% ABV pumpkin pale ale, then they should just compare it to the other big pumpkin stouts in the category. If they can't do that because there aren't enough other big pumpkin stouts to compare it to, then a separate category is clearly overkill.

 

Fair enough. I did not feel criticized, no worries. So what is your take then on the multitude of IPA sub styles?

 

I think we are going with whatever style the brewery claims it is

 

Once again putting aside my personal feelings of if it's "good" or "bad," they are a reflection of the marketplace, which is a result of the term IPA somewhat slipping away from a modern style designation and into the broader signifying of "craft beer."

 

But... isn't that just brewing "evolution," as the kids call it these days?

 

Regarding American farmhouse vs Belgian saisons, this is an underrated post/example. Well done.

 

Can we get an improvement to the GUI for selecting beer style when entering a new beer? Dropdown with 100+ entries is hard to use. I find myself having to go back to the styles list page to find the right name and then scroll through the dropdown looking for it.

 

I didn't think Kveik was a style though? I know using the yeast started to become trendy in the US last year or the year before but more often than not those were just IPAs with kveik yeast. Some were tasty but still was an IPA.

 

Wasn't going to bring this up in Golden Ale discussion but since you mentioned Britain, back in 2012 the Shelton Brothers hosted the inaugural 'The Festival' in Worcester, MA. There was a guy from Britain on that first floor in the far left corner who had something like 8 casks of golden ales that were all in the 3.5-sub 5% ABV range, with various dry hoppings. My god were those incredible. Still think about those beers. And the fest itself for that matter.

 

Not sure if intended but definitely got this vibe about mixing Welsh, Scotts, and English styles.


Regarding Trappists...Spencer Abbey better be considered historically accurate for their traditional beers. With all the effort and certs and hoops they had to jump through in order to be allowed to brew. There's plenty of crap they do that isn't, but their mains are most certainly authentic.

 

1) Where are those beverages making a rapid comeback, southern CA? And does rapid mean having gone from 0 brewed to 2 brewed?

2) In a perfect world, when a beer is added things like the brewery provided beer description would go in the notes. That's where you would see if it contains lactose, nuts, etc. Unfortunately people don't add information like that and/or it is not explicitly stated by the brewery. Either way it relies on users to create those informational updates. If someone can input allergens into a drop down then they can include that in the already created 'note' field, rendering a separate allergen field redundant.

 

Are you adding from computer or phone? Having added so many damn beers I just hit the letter I know the style starts with or sometimes first two letters (ie, 'en' to get me to english so I can select english milk/sweet stout). Easy peasy. On mobile it's slightly more of a pain.

 

I would vote to keep both sites consistent. I think most users on Ba are also on Untappd. So it would make total sense to mirror the styles listed. I feel this provides some consistency, everyone will always argue over small items but this gives a good foundation.
Cheers

 

I've done both. More computer than mobile, though.

I have to remember with it's American IPA or IPA (American) or New England IPA or NEIPA...whatever the case. "go" doesn't get me to Gose, or the options for Gose. I haven't really thought too deeply about it, and I probably shouldn't have to. I'd rather have a whole page dedicated to this step than a dropdown.

That said...it's still just an annoyance. But it's one that will get worse if we add more styles.

 

Welcome to BA, IPL. Glad to see this style added and Jack's Abbey has risen to the top as expected. I'm happy to see the strong showing by Boston Beer Co. (Samuel Adams) and will be on the lookout for some. I also have my eye out for the von Trapp India Pale Lager.

I would like to thank Todd for the update and the work involved, without sounding like too much of a wipe. I like the new naming convention.

Cheers.

 

This was my first IPL and, to this day, the best offering I've had from this now recognized style.

 

I just put in a request for Otter Creek's Citra Montra to be reclassified from Lager-American to IPL. It was one of the originals.