It's high time that we update Beer Styles!

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Jun 21, 2020.

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  1. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Personally Im hoping that one goes the way of the brut IPA.
     
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  2. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Love it! I suspect figuring out if a beer belongs in imperial stout, pastry stout, milk stout, etc. might get confusing. Will pastry stout include pretty much all non-base beer flavorings, or is there some other qualifier? Will milkshake IPA include fruited and/or sour IPAs, or is lactose a requirement? Would any hazy IPA with lactose added be shifted from NEIPA to milkshake IPA, or is there some other qualifier?

    There's no perfect way to break down the variety in the craft stout scene, so I think this is definitely an improvement. I personally would prefer a couple additional stout styles, in addition to pastry stout - most prominently, coffee stout/porter.

    Is there an option for flavored/pastry brown ale, as well? The flavor bombs from Funky Buddha et al bear very little resemblance to a more classic brown ale. They're delicious, but they feel super out of place, simply because the brewer chose to use a brown ale as a base instead of a stout.
     
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  3. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    Italian Pilsner is a thing now.
     
  4. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Maybe I don't understand the style, but to me pastry stout is any stout that has a bunch of additives in it regardless of what they are.
     
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  5. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    @honkey :joy:
     
  6. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,068) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    if you put the description of the beer in the notes there should be zero need for a pastry stout addition to styles. put in the existing stout options based on ABV.
     
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  7. rudzud

    rudzud Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Here's a 'french golden ale'...think that should just be called "golden ale" and then in the style descriptor it could just be mentioned how yeasts/hops can different. [​IMG]
     
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  8. rudzud

    rudzud Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2010 Massachusetts
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    This. Just because someone throws candy bars in a beer doesn't change the fact that it is in fact a stout. No need to over complicate things. It's a stout. Was a lactose added? Okay, it's a milk stout then.
     
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  9. thuey

    thuey Pooh-Bah (1,705) Nov 13, 2015 California
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    Two styles that are very recent & trendy that aren't being mentioned...

    • Sour IPA (some, but not all contain lactose. some not all contain fruit)
    • Smoothie Ale - alcoholic jamba juice really
     
  10. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Nah, people are just confused by the German Pils guidelines being poorly written.
     
  11. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    I would like to see:
    Belgian Golden Strong Ale and Belgian Blond Ale. Belgian strong pale ale seems to be a catch all
    Pre-prohibition lager
    Czech dark lagers

    Perhaps do away with American adjunct lager, it's essentially the same thing as an American light lager

    In regards to adding the kettle souring category, many American brewers make either goses and Berliners weisses using the kettle sour method, maybe you can add a fruited and non-fruited category for goses and Berliners. Naming a category American kettle sour seems like a catch all for anything that is sour whether or not the brewer actually kettle soured

    Lastly, a barrel aged category would be welcome too, maybe a BA stout, barleywine since those are most common as well as a category for any other style that may be barrel aged
     
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  12. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Italian pilsner is definitely because what differentiates it is that it is just like your regulation German pils but to be Italian style it is dry hopped with European hops. If it is dry hopped with anything else it would not fall under “Italian”


    Can an American IPL dry hop with euro hops yes so there’s the line but to my understanding the above is the specifics.
     
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  13. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    no, they are not the same thing at all.
     
  14. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    So, what about German pilsners that are dry hopping their pilsner? My understanding is that dry hopping pilsners is not exclusive to Italian breweries.
     
  15. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Except that lactose is not required, since the style name is "English Sweet / Milk Stout", and a number of beers are included that have no lactose.
     
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  16. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I gotchu. Maybe it was a back in the day type thing? I’m not sure of any German beers that are dry hopped. I’m sure there are though.

    I love this shit truly
     
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  17. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    However you describe the "other" stout styles, traditional, non-flavored, non-BA imperial stouts deserve their own category.
     
  18. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    How, many light lagers use adjuncts like corn and rice hulls
     
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  19. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    • American India Pale Lager (IPL)
    • American Pilsner
    • New England Imperial India Pale Ale (NEIIPA)
    • New England Pale Ale (NEPA)
    I agree with these.

    The others (besides stouts, about which I have already commented) I have no strong opinions on one way or the other.
     
  20. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Got to distinguish the different types of saison please. Mixed culture/soured very different drinking experience from traditional
     
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