It's high time that we update Beer Styles!

Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Jun 21, 2020.

  1. Cubatobaco

    Cubatobaco Defender (694) Jan 27, 2013 Virginia
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    This was my first IPL and, to this day, the best offering I've had from this now recognized style.
     
  2. bubseymour

    bubseymour Poo-Bah (2,972) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I just put in a request for Otter Creek's Citra Montra to be reclassified from Lager-American to IPL. It was one of the originals.
     
  3. StonedTrippin

    StonedTrippin Poo-Bah (19,446) May 28, 2011 Colorado
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    while considering the expansion of lager styles here, and with the other thread closed, it seems like italian pilsner should be included as well. not sure if anyone mentioned it there or not, but these have really sprung up in the last year or so, particularly in the northwest it seems, and stands distinct enough from a german pils to probably warrant its own category. glad to see these changes being made to what was previously one of the weaknesses of BA. great stuff!
     
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  4. morimech

    morimech Poo-Bah (3,808) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    So if a Helles, Keller, or Pils gets dry hopped, it becomes an IPL. OK then...
     
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  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,031) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    I don't recall saying that or seeing that being suggested by anyone else. And you can always suggest an edit for any beer that's been tagged with the wrong style.
     
  6. morimech

    morimech Poo-Bah (3,808) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    So automagically was not going to be 100% accurate?
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,031) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    It's 100% accurate for what the script does. In this case, beers with "IPL" or "India Pale Lager" (strict matches) in the name were moved and I review what's being moved before executing the process.

    Since it was added as a style, there have been new beers added and suggestions for edits processed.

    Again, if you feel that a beer needs updating...suggest an edit for the mod team to review.
     
  8. officerbill

    officerbill Zealot (506) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Should flavored porters (other than coffee) be going into American or Imperial or does it matter? Right now there is everything from peanut butter and maple bacon to biscotti and pecan pie scattered throughout both.
     
  9. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Poo-Bah (9,009) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Well the big difference between American Porter and American Imperial Porter are the ABV - under 7.5 in the former, the remainder in the latter.
     
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  10. beaulabauve

    beaulabauve Disciple (367) Aug 5, 2011 Louisiana

    @Todd would you consider altbier written as brown ale - german/altbier? It is appropriate don’t you think?
     
  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,031) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    There are many updates to come, and this is on my radar.
     
  12. beaulabauve

    beaulabauve Disciple (367) Aug 5, 2011 Louisiana

    And moving roggenbier to specialties. Thanks for relying so fast! Wow!
     
  13. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,179) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    On the other hand, I'd rather see less emphasis on splitting things up along these larger category lines. (I know that's not where you are right now and there's no perfect solution). It feels like a lot of force-fitting or odd associations. That "brown ale" top category includes "English dark mild ale" and "Belgian dark ale"... even though there's a separate "dark ale" top category. Dubbel is in that dark ale category. It's hard to understand the internal logic, and as a result, I don't know where to look on the list to find these styles. Feels like the organization works against its purpose in that regard.
     
  14. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,031) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    I plan on addressing this during the next update.
     
  15. beaulabauve

    beaulabauve Disciple (367) Aug 5, 2011 Louisiana

    I think structurally speaking, we should categorize by either country of origin, SRM, ABV, ingredients, or something measurable. I’m OCD and love organizing. I still think country of origin is the best way to go, and then subdividing with some concrete measurement.