Jars of beer (with hops!)

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Crusader, Jul 2, 2020.

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  1. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    right! So many floaters in the glass of beer.
     
  2. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I've begun to wonder if differences in the UV index is responsible for differing prevalences of light struck beer. Or rather, that areas which have a lower UV index score results in beer being light struck at a slower pace, slow enough to where most times it wont be noticed (the beer will have been consumed before it happens). I have had plenty of beers in bright sunlight this summer and summers of the past and never once experienced a beer taking a turn for the worse. Going by UV index maps it seems the UV index is markedly higher for the US compared with northern Europe which instead has a similar index to that of Greenland and northern parts of Canada. So that to me seems to indicate that we might experience this phenomenon differently in Sweden vs much of the US. It also looks like parts of Russia are similar to Sweden in this regard, which might help protect the beer from being light struck unless a person is careless with it.

    In other words, perhaps beer in clear glass jars with hops will by necessity have to remain a Russian phenomenon.
     
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  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I've seen this argument before, but I can't remember where. I'm guessing it had to do with England but don't quote me on that.
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I think it would be beyond floaters without some sort of filter!
     
  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    @Crusader
    This BA thread touches upon it. Maybe it was what I was thinking of. You had a post in it as well.
     
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  6. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    It would certainly be interesting to see if any studies have been made in this area, not comparing countries per se (which is of little general interest so unlikely to be carried out) but the lenght of time until light struck beer at varying UV levels which could perhaps be used to infer potential differences across countries .
     
  7. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    This article talks about what spectrum causes skunkiness.
    Seems to be the border lands of UV and visible light. Not sure what that means for the geographic theory of skunk prevalence but they list 350-550 nm as the offending wavelengths
     
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  8. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Guessing here in Houston we have a pretty good UV level :slight_smile:. I have been at breweries and sat outside with a glass and if the suns hits it I can get a good whiff of skunk, almost weedish. I try to avoid drinking in direct sunlight if possible.
     
  9. Mikemcgrath4

    Mikemcgrath4 Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2014 North Carolina

    This is an amazing phrase.
     
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  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    And geography and latitude doesn't play a part in the beer that doesn't become lightstruck* until it reaches the retail level, when the store takes the (mostly) green- and clear-bottled beers out of the closed cardboard shipper and exposes it to the bright florescent overhead lights or the ones often mounted vertically inside the cooler doors. :grimacing:

    It's not like Heineken bottles are spread out on the deck of some ocean liner like so many rich widows lounging in reclining wooden chairs.

    * There's a reason why the industry no longer uses the term "sunstruck" like they did a century ago, after all.
     
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  11. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Time sure flies. The comments from UK posters are similar to mine, of it being a non issue for them. I've never heard anyone mention it in my years drinking beer, the concept of it is simply not known among non-industry people. The green bottle question doesn't exist here to take as another example (though it has been a concern of the brewing industry as I noted in the thread). It remains a theory of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if they found out that skunking a beer in Sweden, and countries with similar UV exposure, takes too long for it to be a concern for regular consumers (while at an industry level there might be a concern with prolonged exposure of packages to light before reaching the consumer).

    The point with all of this is that when I see a beer being packaged like that in a clear glass jar I don't see the problem of skunking, the reaction is different since the expectations and experiences are different.
     
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  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    How do you know that's not what they're drinking?
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Anecdotal evidence, I guess?

    What, your family never sat around after the holiday meal and (had to) watch your maiden aunt's vacation home movies? Strictly wine and mixed drinks.
     
  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    We call such days Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday... but her anecdotal evidence home movie looks like this (note the odd shuffleboard technique for maximum or minimum sun exposure time... I can't tell):

     
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  15. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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  16. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    To me with strongly hopped beers the addition of additional hops in the package just seems superfluous. It's "cake upon cake" as we say. The beers in the OP I take to be lager beers, low to moderately hopped, and there I could see the hops adding a different flavor and aroma compared with the brewery's other lager beers, a touch or more of dry hop flavor which in my mind makes it more interesting of a concept.
     
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