Jazzing up Berliner

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    It's been less than 2 weeks, so I'm not giving up, but my Berliner did not get as sour as I would like. Not sure how long to give it, but if I am left with an unsatisfyingly sour, not hoppy, low gravity and therefore not very malty beer, what are the best ways to jazz it up in your opinions? My previous bw had homegrown grapes and their juices added to it; I have more of the same but it wasn't the greatest.
     
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  2. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

  3. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Mine took about 6 months and it still wasn't properly sour. I racked it over some tangellos, which must have kicked started it, as it turned very sour after about 3 weeks.

    If you add some fruit, be careful with the skin... I had a brain-fart and left most of the pith on there, so it's got a slightly unpleasant bitterness to it now.
     
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  4. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    add some rhubarb, IME it will add a nice tartness of its own and will kick start the bacteria as well
     
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  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have about 2-3 cups of this years harvest in my freezer. Will consider. The grapes will also add tartness, if I go that route
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Hadn't thought of this one. If I wait a bit longer and am still unsatisfied, this is an option.
     
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    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Yes, I have experienced this unpleasant bitterness with citrus pith. In my (two) experiences, the unpleasant aspects seem to fade. Unfortunately, so does the pleasant aspect of citrus skin.
     
  8. JdoubleA

    JdoubleA Pundit (903) Apr 27, 2011 North Carolina

    Peaches.
     
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  9. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Using only zest and juice from citrus fruits is usually the best way to go when adding them to any beer in my experience.

    You could fruit the Berliner - that should definitely help a bit. If all else fails, add lactic acid to taste.
     
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  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Not really the right season for me to get them fresh, although I could pick up some canned purée
     
  11. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Ah, that is heartening to hear. I've still got quite a few bottles stashed away, as it's still drinkable :slight_smile:
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    After thumbing though American Sours and tasting the beer again, I'm leaning towards dry hops.
     
  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Changed my mind. Decided to do something with ingredients on hand, and I am low on hops. It will be a two step process

    (1) I'll add some rhubarb as per ryane's advice to see how that addresses the tartness issue. (2) I'll make make some fruit syrups similar to the German approach that can be added in the glass. The pressed grape juice and wild-picked raspberries and blueberries that are in my freezer can come into play. If the beer still doesn't seem tart enough, I'll lowball the sugar content of the syrups. Could be interesting, or could be a waste of fruit in the freezer. But let's face it, experimenting with fermented beverages was one of the reasons why I have that stuff in the freezer.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    As indicated in a different thread, I ended up not doing what I said above, and added apricot puree. I bottled today, and am drinking the 20 oz as I didn't have enough bottles cleaned up. It got more sour, and tastes a bit like sweet tarts. It's not going to create intense pucker, but pleasant. Of course, the bottle bucket had a little sugar, so the final product will be less sweet and carbonated.
     
  15. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Zatarains
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Are you suggesting I might have jazzed it up with the New Orleans spice mixture, or something entirely different? Do you have experience with this? In any event, as you can see from my last post, I went with apricot.
     
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  17. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I was joking. "Jazz it up with Zatarains" is the slogan for Zatarains :slight_smile:
     
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  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Didn't know that. I thought you were inventing New Orleans style gose.
     
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  19. bushycook

    bushycook Zealot (681) Jan 31, 2011 Virginia

    Ya'll cray with the Cajun gose, might actually work though. I just got some fresh Muscadines (sweet, peppery, tannic) and some Scuppernongs (SWEET, floral, perfumey). I plan on doing a sour wort in the kettle BW per Fatcity's Berliner thread. Gonna add the grapes and an Orval starter in secondary for 2 months, then bottle condition for 2 months. Hope to have a funky, fruity, complex sour by the end o' it all. Haven't decided on any oak additions yet.
     
  20. bushycook

    bushycook Zealot (681) Jan 31, 2011 Virginia

    Not jazzing it up, but been kicking around an idea for a crazy Berliner. BBA raspberry toasted coconut Berliner. Think it could work? Bourbon and sour don't usually mix, but the coconut might just bring it all together?
     
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