June 21st-23rd Baltimore,DE,Philly Trip!

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  1. zrab11

    zrab11 Maven (1,450) Dec 25, 2010 Indiana
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    A lot of you have already been a Great Help in my other
    forum

    http://beeradvocate.com/community/t...h-mid-altantic-road-trip-vacation-help.69949/

    but my wife has basically narrowed down are trip in these 3 states but just need a few more inputs from the locals. So below is me and the wifes Itinerary and below that is the questions I need answered.

    FRIDAY June 21- Muncie to Baltimore (leave 4am, arrive 1pm)
    -Lunch at Chap’s Pit Beef
    -Max’s Taphouse and/or Brewer’s Art for beer
    -Fell’s Point
    -Charm City
    -Dinner- Woodberry Kitchen or Faidleys
    -Little Italy, dessert at Vaccaros

    SATURDAY June 22- Baltimore to Nassau (2 hr. 25 min.) (leave 9:00am-arrive 11:30)
    -cooler lunch picnic at Nassau
    -Nassau Vineyards (stay one hour)
    -Dogfish Head in Rehoboth (15 min. drive from Nassau, arrive 12:45)
    -Dogfish Head to Philly (2 hr. 17min) (arrive approx. 4pm)
    -Pat’s or Tony Lukes or Jim’s cheesesteak
    -Possibly Han Dynasty
    -Rocky Steps?

    SUNDAY June 23- Philly
    -Iconic LOVE sign
    -Reading Terminal Market- DiNic’s (lunch), Flying Monkey Bakery
    -Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, Eastern State Penitentiary
    -Monks Cafe- beer barn
    -anniversary dinner: Talula’s Garden or Matyson or Pumpkin

    1. If you could only choose one for BEER(will not be eating at either)(I like all kind of beers and but stouts and Sours are my fav) :Max's Taphouse or Brewers Art

    2. We are 90% sure we are eating dinner at Woodberry Kitchen but feel bad coming to Baltimore and not getting what they are know for (crab). So I couldn't really find a website that told much about a restaurant but "Faidleys" was mentioned by a BA and so I wanted to know if it is a set down restaurant or just a place you go in to grab a crab cake and leave?

    3. Philly is know for Cheesesteak and I know not everyone will prob agree on it and most think philly Cheesesteak isn't that great anyway but my wife is Determined to get one. So which is the best. Pat's or Luke's or Jim's?

    4. Anyone ever been to Han's Dynasty? Good food? or Good Beer?(might go here if the cheesesteak we get doesn't hit the spot)

    5. There is too many great food things in philly but we are only there like a day and 1/2 so we can't go to them all. But we will be celebrating our 5 year anniversary dinner in philly so we are deciding where to eat. These 3 places look good to us. Which one of these would you recommend for that or if none what place would you recommend in philly? Talula's Garden or Matyson or Pumpkin or Somewhere else?(doesn't have to have great beer just talking about food on this one, But of course a good beer list wouldn't be disappointing)

    6. Last Question is for bottle shops. These are the good ones I heard mentioned that were on my route. Stateline Liquor Elkton Md, Total Wine Claymont DE, Beer haven Philly, The craft Beer outlet Philly. Total Wine is RIGHT ON MY WAY. Stateline and Beer Haven are about 10MIN OUT OF THE WAY and Craft Beer outlet is 25MIN OUT OF THE WAY. Just curious which you think has the Cheapest prices and which one's would cover most of my beers I'm trying to snag(list can be found on previous thread). I'm Leaning more towards going to Stateline even though i have to backtrack 10Min but want locals opinion first.

    Thanks again for any advice on these topics! And thanks for any advice you gave me in the past. We can't do everything with our limited amount of time so we have to pick and choose.
     
  2. truckerock

    truckerock Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2011 Maryland

    Max's and Woodberry Kitchen, no arguments there.
     
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  3. ajfa531

    ajfa531 Zealot (686) Jun 2, 2007 New Jersey
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    Will this be graded?

    Philly-wise:

    I love Jim's. Tasty and nostalgic, as I went to many shows at the TLA. If you want to try something different and kill two birds, the Seitan Cheese"steak" at Monk's is really great. I, sometimes, prefer this over a real cheesesteak. If you're near Monk's, Jose Pistolas isn't too far away and, sometimes, they offer a cheesesteak with scrapple. I need to be on top of that the next time I am at Pistolas.

    Look for "Beer HEAVEN" as I've never heard of Beer Haven. Prices are higher, but the selection is good. Be sure to check dates for IPAs as the prices may cause the pales to stay around longer than intended. While in Philly, look for which Foodery location is close to your stops. Good selection, but higher prices (the norm for bottle shops in Philly).

    Just a few things to consider. Keep us updated as the date nears.

    - Joe
     
  4. corby112

    corby112 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 Pennsylvania

    For Philly:

    Tony Luke's is one of the best cheesesteak spots but John's Roast Pork is a local favorite. They have won a James Beard award but have weird hours.

    Han Dynasty is incredible! I've recently discovered it a couple of months ago and have been back several times. Very affordable with very unique dishes. Many of them indicate the spice level on a scale of zero to ten. I highly recommend the Dan Dan Noodles, dumplings in chili oil and the spicy, crispy cucumber. Those are just starters but you can make a chep meal out of just that. Everything else that I've tried has ranged from very good to amazing. Not much of a beer selection though.

    Matyson is a great restaurant in the Rittenhouse Square neighborhood but is a BYOB. Plenty if shops in the area though(food and friends, corner foodery, foodery on 10th street). I haven't been to Pumpkin but Talula's Garden is another favorite of mine. Lots of seasonal, farm to table dishes. Almost every dish has something locally grown and they have a wide selection of cheese plates, charcuterie boards, appetizers, main courses and deserts. The scallops, duck breast and risotto are all very good. Plenty of vegetarian options as well. Nice wine list but I'm not sure about the beer. Most restaurants in the city have a nice selection of craft.
     
  5. corby112

    corby112 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Not many beer destination near the places your visiting except in old city where the liberty bell and independence hall are. Check out eulogy, Irish pol, beirstube, triumph, khyber pass. Monks is a must but all of the following are within walking distance; Jose pistolas, perch pub, Vargas bar, nodding head, tria(2 locations).

    Beer heaven is great selection wise but crazy expensive and not in center city. Craft beer outlet is great but in northeast philly(about 40 minutes from downtown). Other shops to hit are food and friends, foodery on 10th(although the 2nd street location is much better), and the corner foodery on Sansom. If you can you should try to make it out to the suburbs for Capone's, TJ's, Teresa's next door, etc. Hopefully this is helpful. Have fun!
     
  6. Jspriest

    Jspriest Pundit (940) Feb 9, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Just to throw a 4th option onto your Philly anniversary: shop for beer at Whole Foods Plymouth Meeting and Capone's and drink it at Bluefin. (http://www.zagat.com/r/bluefin-plymouth-meeting) But that's the suburbs and maybe that doesn't work for you.

    It all looks great! Stateline is worth it, but Total Wine on Naamans Rd is growing on me with the whole no sales tax thing.
     
  7. Kalev13

    Kalev13 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Delaware

    3) Within the context of the question, and for the sake of tourism, I say Pat's.

    5) Talula's Garden is the only one I've been to, but I highly recommend it!

    6) Total Wine of Claymont has a huge selection but it is basically a seen-one-seen'em-all big box store. However, Jspriest is right, there is no sales tax in DE.

    I recommended State Line before, and I will again, I really enjoy shopping there, and there is great selection of domestic and imported craft beers. They have strong discounts if you "become a member" (give them your email address). You are correct that it is a few minutes out of your way, though.

    *Extra Credit: If you need some refreshment while you are in Old City, you could drop by Eulogy for a quick belgian brew.
     
  8. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

    If you're getting into Philly at 4pm I don't know if you'll have the room for a cheesesteak AND dinner at Han Dynasty. But maybe you will? If you wanted to go to the Art Museum steps you might want to go Sunday as you'll have daylight on your side as opposed to Saturday night.

    I'm more of a Northeast Cheeseteak guy so I have no dog in the fight between Pats, Tony Luke's or Jim's.

    The National Constitution Center is right across the street from the Liberty Bell and the special exhibit right now is about Prohibition so that may be worth your time.
     
  9. Kalev13

    Kalev13 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Delaware

    I assume you are planning on taking the Chesapeake Bay Bridge (I think it is a pretty cool experience). You will probably be OK in the morning, but on summer Saturdays there can be significant traffic in the Eastbound direction. If you get held up on the bridge, you could always get your Maryland Blue Crab fix for lunch at Harris Crab House on Kent Narrows.
     
  10. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    +1 on this. I like Brewer's Art, but if you're going just for the beer, Max's is your clear choice (they typically have serveral Brewer's Art beers available on draft and bottle anyway).

    Regarding Faidley's, the place is located in the Lexington market downtown. It's located in something of a food court in the market, and so seating can sometimes be difficult (depending on the time of day and crowd). However, you can get in and out pretty quickly (if that's a concern), and IMHO, their crab cakes are outstanding (they have a great reputation in Baltimore, and I think deservedly so). Anyway, you could definitely just grab a crabcake to go and leave, and in fact many customers do just that.

    As for beer stores, I'll also give the nod to State Line, but be aware that there are a number of beers distributed in SEPA that are not distributed in Md. (RR, founders, bells, bullfrog, alesmith, etc.). On the other hand, State Line has an incredible selection of imports, and as Maryland is not a "by the case" state, prices for 6 packs and bombers at State Line will typically be cheaper than what you'll pay at a bottle shop in SEPA (be sure to go on line and sign up for their club card - it costs nothing to join, and it can save you some significant change if you end up buying a lot of stuff). Also, if you're coming up from Baltimore via I-95, be sure to get off on the hiway 279 exit towards newark, De. (it's the last Maryland exit, and is just before the ridiculous Deleware toll stop). Once you've completed your business at State Line, take Iron Hill road over to W. Chestnut, make a left, and then take W. Chestnut up to hiway 896. Make a right onto 896, and from there get back onto I-95 North towards Philly. You'll avoid the toll that way, and also likely save yourself some time (as there can be a considerable back up at the toll stop). Good luck.

    Of course, if you're taking hiway 50 over to the coast, you'll be coming from the other direction, and so need to reverse my directions for State Line.
     
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  11. xnicknj

    xnicknj Initiate (0) May 25, 2009 Pennsylvania

    3) Tony Luke's. Pat's isn't really that good and Jim's will be an absolute cluster on the weekend (all of them can be but South Street in the summer is a whole different animal).

    4) Han Dynasty is awesome - if you're still hungry hit this up for dan dan noodles, spicy dumplings and other legit Szechuan dishes (the chef prides himself in not adjusting or dumbing down his flavors for "stupid American palates," which is part of what makes it great). This is also right by Eulogy, Khyber Pass, Triumph and other Philly beer spots.

    5) I haven't eaten at these places but Talula’s Garden and Pumpkin have been on my list for a while now for a special occasion. Definitely make sure you're making reservations in advance, and Pumpkin is BYO.

    6) Corby covered the bottleshops pretty well, but if you have any consideration for what's "the cheapest," you unfortunately won't find that at any shop in the city. Perhaps stopping at Stateline might be better, unless you want a case of something from the distributor (Bella Vista, Society Hill Beverage, etc), or are willing to pay a premium for something you really want and don't have access to.
     
  12. comfortablynirm

    comfortablynirm Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Talula's Garden and Pumpkin are both excellent. If you go to TG, be sure to get the cheese plate...
     
  13. Matishopbrew

    Matishopbrew Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Just a couple Philly notes as others have covered you well. Jim's on South can have a line 50-75 deep on the weekends around meal times so you could wait a while depending on when you arrive. And Pumpkin or Matyson get my vote over Talula's as they are both BYOBs. With all the bottle shops you plan to hit, you'll probably find something you'd enjoy more with dinner than the $8 Victory Pils you'd get at Talula's (just an example, but they have a fairly limited bottle selection from what I remember).

    Edit: Yep, didn's see xnicknj's post. He's on point about South St. on weekends in June.
     
  14. dbfp210

    dbfp210 Zealot (631) Jun 27, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Just a quick point about cheesesteaks: Most of the big name places (Pat's, Jim's, Geno's) are cash only. Just something you need to factor in. Tony Luke's takes cards. My vote would be for Steve's Prince of Steaks, but I don't know if the Center City location will be open by that point.

    Basically everything has been said about Philly bottle shops. I might recommend stopping at Total Wine to get the more common stuff. Then go to Beer Heaven or the Foodery to get some stuff that isn't distributed to Delaware.
     
  15. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    State Line and Total Wine both have big selections of domestic craft with a bit of a lead for State Line. Total wine is a hair cheaper and State Line has a much bigger import section if you're looking for something Belgian/German/Danish/Italian/etc.

    The Rocky steps are near Eastern State Penitentiary (and sort of near the Love sign), so maybe you'd want to do those three together and the historical stuff together.

    Also, the Reading Terminal Market is right next to Dim Sum Garden; if you've never had dim sum you should try some soup dumplings (#1 or #2 on the menu) - they're dumplings with soup on the inside.

    I've only been to Pumpkin on your list but it was fantastic. It's BYOB, but you're stopping at a bottle shop on the way, right? Can't beat that for selection.
     
  16. Schultz

    Schultz Crusader (491) Jan 19, 2008 Maryland

    Faidley's has a great crabcake, but is only open during the day, closes at 5 or 6. Parking will be tight and expensive during the day on Friday. Dudas and John Steven's have decent crab cakes and they are only a few blocks from Max's.
     
  17. ForkAndSpoonOp

    ForkAndSpoonOp Initiate (0) May 4, 2011 Pennsylvania

    3) As a tourist, you may want to just do the the classic Pat's/Geno's faceoff. Like I said in the other thread, LOTS of neon, and it's a whole big thing. Best food of the given options would probably be Tony Luke's. It's pretty close to the sports complex, so you might get some interesting local color if there's a Phillies game that night.

    4) Han Dynasty is AMAZING. It's already been said, but it bears repeating: dan dan noodles. Han himself is a kooky guy who likes talking shit, too, if you can catch him.

    5) Haven't eaten at any of the three restaurants you mentioned, but Pumpkin ranked the highest on Philadelphia Magazine's top 50 list: http://www.phillymag.com/articles/galleries/50-restaurants-philadelphia-2012/. Interestingly enough, Han Dynasty outranks all three...

    6) State Line is absolutely worth a short detour. Selection is nearly as good at the Philly shops, without the Philly prices. I'd also try to hit one of the downtown-ish bottle shops in Philly for the stuff you can't find there.
     
  18. RocketFrogDavid

    RocketFrogDavid Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2010 Virginia

    I think your Saturday is a bit on the ambitious side. Given that Saturday is a "turnover" day in Rehoboth, you can expect to add an hour to your drive from B-more to Rehoboth. Also getting from Nassau to Rehoboth, though short on distance will be about 30-45 minutes, Rt. 1 can get VERY slow on a Saturday. Then heading north in the afternoon, you are dealing with the people leaving town heading back up north (probably not as bad as going there though.) Might be a lot less stress and more fun to just head to Philly and do more there then trying to over extend yourself.
     
  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I'm glad you chimed in on this dhartogs. I've only been to the DFH in Rehoboth one time, but I was pretty surprised by the amount of traffic coming into and out of town, as well as by the popularity of the DFH pub. Even though I stopped by during what I thought would be an off time at the pub (around 2:30 on a Saturday in October), the place was packed and I had to wait close to half an hour to get in (they don't take reservations). My guess is that around 12:45, the wait may well be closer to an hour.

    Not trying to discourage the OP, but if he gets to DFH at 12:45 or 1:00 on a Saturday, he'll be very lucky to get away from Rehoboth before 3:00.
     
  20. sideshowe

    sideshowe Pundit (759) Jun 20, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Just a heads up that, in my experience, the line for Dinic's on the weekend can get unbearably long.
     
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