Just started cellaring/any thoughts or suggestions?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by TurkeyFeathers, Dec 31, 2014.

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  1. TurkeyFeathers

    TurkeyFeathers Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2014 New York

    Just started laying beers down a few months ago. Root cellar with perfect temperature. Any thoughts appreciated on cellaring time, drink now etc. suggestions on long term beers I have?
    Here's my inventory:
    2013 Orval

    3 Bells expedition stout
    3 GI Bourbon county stout
    2010 WWS
    3 Brooklyn choc stout
    Founders Backwards bastard
    Arrogant bastard bourbon barrel aged arrogant bastard
    Left hand wake up dead oak aged imperial stout
    Southern tier imperial rum barrel aged pumking
    Great divide oak aged imperial stout
    Arrogant double bastard
    St Bernardus abt 12
    SN barrel aged narwhal
    St Bernardus Christmas ale
    Chi may grande reserve
    2013 stone old guardian oak aged
    Evil twin I love you with my stout
    4 DFH ole school
    Flying dog gonzo imperial stout
    2013/2014 SN Bigfoot
    Old Rasputin
    Rochefort 8/10
    Founders old curmudgeon
    Narwhal
    Great divide hibernation ale
    Anchor Christmas
    DFH Midas touch
    Allagash tripel
    DFH raison d'extra
    Ballast point victory at sea
    DFH 120
    Great Lakes blackout stout
    Evil twin Christmas Eve at a nyc hotel room
    2 victory storm king
    Allagash Tiarna
    Trader joes vintage ale
    DFH WWS
    Weyerbacher quad
    Founders breakfast stout
    North coast old stock ale
    2 Founders dirty bastards

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. mattosgood

    mattosgood Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2014 Massachusetts

    Advice: don't not drink something because you're waiting for ... I don't know, something. Just drink, don't worry about peak flavors or aging perfectly. That knowledge will come. I might say drink the WWS now; Someone else might say wait two years; Someone else might say wait five years.

    Make drinking the beer the occasion. Otherwise the perfect occasion may never come.

    But I would drink that 2010 WWS today.
     
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  3. mattosgood

    mattosgood Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2014 Massachusetts

    Oh, and utilize the search feature on here. I'm not being snarky. I use it in this particular forum all the time for certain beers, questions I have, etc. Wealth of knowledge here and people much smarter than I.
     
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  4. Iamjeff6

    Iamjeff6 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2013 Virginia

    As I always suggest, if you havent had any of them fresh do that first. If you age a beer you havent had fresh you will never know what aging has done for it.
     
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  5. TurkeyFeathers

    TurkeyFeathers Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2014 New York

    I've had all of these fresh except the Chimay, Orval, TJ Vintage, LH Wake dead oak aged and the Pumking
     
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  6. SkiBum22

    SkiBum22 Pooh-Bah (1,752) Oct 18, 2009 New York
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    Solid list of beers to age. Only one I would not age is Allagash Tripel.

    Make sure to try these beers fresh so you know how to compare them. Thats part of the fun, to see how these beers get better or worse with age. It's a learning process and a fun one if you have patience. Another thing to keep in mind that it's not an exact science and there no correct answer. It's all opinion on when a beer is peaking and at it's best or worst. With that said.
     
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  7. Iamjeff6

    Iamjeff6 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2013 Virginia

    Ok cool, seems like you have a pretty good list to start, I personally wouldnt age the flying dogo gonzo. Im not sure how well that will age or if itll improve any at all really.
     
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  8. mattosgood

    mattosgood Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2014 Massachusetts

    But here's my best reply to the one I have experienced:

    3 GI Bourbon county stout ... Best after a year
    2010 WWS ... Drink now, 2910's drinking great
    Great divide oak aged imperial stout .. A year is good
    Arrogant double bastard ... Same
    4 DFH ole school ... One this year, one the year after, and so on
    2013/2014 SN Bigfoot ... 2013 now, 2014 maybe side by side with 2015?
    Narwhal ... Thought it's better fresh
    Great divide hibernation ale ... Love it fresh
    Anchor Christmas ... Don't know how well this'll age
    DFH Midas touch ... Now
    Allagash tripel .. Probably within a year
    DFH raison d'extra ... 2007? Now. 2014? Idk. 2021?
    DFH 120 ... 18 months from now
    Evil twin Christmas Eve at a nyc hotel room: Drinking great right now. I'd drink it.
    Founders breakfast stout ... Now, it's awesome and available. You can get this, do whatever you want.
     
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  9. mooseisloose

    mooseisloose Pooh-Bah (1,773) Nov 16, 2005 Florida
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    Never lose the keys to the cellar.
     
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  10. Hodgson

    Hodgson Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2014 Canada (ON)

    I've been reading a number of threads on beer cellaring here and there is a long article on it in the current issue of All About Beer (the magazine). But one thing I rarely see is a discussion of aging a pasteurized vs. filtered-but-unpasteurized vs. unfiltered beer.

    I don't see the point of cellaring a pasteurized beer. While most craft beers are not pasteurized, some are, e.g. I understand all Anchor beers are which would include the Christmas. There can be no further yeast activity in such a beer. Perhaps some consider that they round out over time, but at least from a traditional beer processing point of view, these "can't" age.

    A beer well-filtered of its yeast but not pasteurized, would be the same, in my view, unless perhaps there was enough residual yeast (non-visible, sometimes it settles out over time) to promote some ongoing alteration of the beer's character.

    A bottle-conditioned beer, or unfiltered beer (same thing at bottom), is a good candidate for cellaring. In my experience, as long as these are above 5% ABV and reasonably hopped, they should last a good while if stored at a cellar temperature, and possibly improve. But I've had numerous such beers go off, damp paper-oxidized or sour, probably this occurs due to imperfect bottling sanitation.

    I'm open to any views on whether filtered or pasteurized beers can really change (i.e., for the better, otherwise it is counter-productive).

    I must say too in general I think beer is best when new, any beer, but there are different views on that.
     
  11. Phoam

    Phoam Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2014 New York

    Hodgson - I think there is so value in aging non-bottle conditioned, high ABV beers, e.g. Imperial Stouts. The alcohol taste seems to die down, and some of the flavors seem to become more rounded and blended together. At least that has been my experience. A beer like Yeti, for instance, becomes much better after about a year, in my experience, because the hop bitterness dies down a bit, along with the boozy flavor.

    TurkeyFeathers - that's looks like a great list so far. I'm sure you thought of this, but a lot of those beers arefairly affordable and accessible, so you will be able to put together verticals. It's really fun to do a vertical with a few friends--it kind of turns a night of drinking into an event. Plus, it's a great way to see how time treats the beer, for future reference.

    I don't have many beers in my cellar that aren't on your list, to be honest. But of the ones I have aged that I don't see listed, I have had great results with TenFidy and Founder's Imperial Stout. JW Lee's is also pretty interesting to cellar, although I haven't had one nearly as old as I see in some of the posts in this forum. It's interesting, to me, to put some away now so I can try them at five or even ten years old.
    I have also seen a lot of folks advising against aging coffee beers, but I actually appreciate aging Breakfast Stout and Victory at Sea, as they are pretty interesting when they are not so coffee-forward. I did find that I don't enjoy cellared Pumpking that much, so I'm not sure how the spice flavors in the rum barrell version will hold up (although I still have a bottle in the basement).
    On a semi-sentimental note, I have 6 Resurgence Imperial Sponge Candy Stout bottles set aside right now. I think they will age well, based on how they taste fresh, plus they will be great to bring to holidays and parties for the next few years. I think they are still in some of the stores are Buffalo, if you are interested in them (or shoot me a message if you want some and can't find any).
     
  12. Phoam

    Phoam Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2014 New York

    Oh yeah, another beer I have found to be interesting to cellar is Ommegang Adoration. The boozy flavor died down after a year, and it was a pretty big hit among friends this Xmas (both beer nerds and "civilians"). I'm not sure if they are still around, but they are pretty accessible and affordable off of the Wegman's make your own six pack shelf.
     
  13. TurkeyFeathers

    TurkeyFeathers Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2014 New York

    Wasn't aware Resurgence was even bottling. I'll have to look into that and Ommegang Adoration. Had Ten Fidy but drank it, oops
     
  14. Phoam

    Phoam Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2014 New York

    Resurgence did limited release of the Imperial Sponge Candy Stout, and I think that is the only thing they have bottled. I went to the release party, but I've seen them now at a few stores around town. They have some aging in bourbon barrels, too, but they don't know how long it is going to take yet.
     
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