Keezer build.

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  1. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Alright, so it's coming to the point where I'm about ready to start getting materials together for my keezer build. I'll be going with the same 10.6 cu.ft. GE model that @OldSock uses, and has a blog post about its construction.

    Anyway, I've really been wanting to do something that protects the insulation on the inside of the collar, and allows a greater proportion of the collar to be insulated. While I was shopping at HD today, I had an idea, (this has probably been done before, but I hadn't come across it), to sandwich insulation between two pieces of wood. Now, I had considered this before, but hadn't gotten around to how to keep it from flexing between the two pieces of wood, or how to attach the wood to each other. Well, I think I can do it with pieces of squared off dowel.

    The freezer has about a 2" lip, so if I use 1" thick Oak on the outer collar, and 1/2" thick birch plywood as the interior collar, with 1/2 inch square dowel glued between the two pieces (at various intervals), along with 1/2" thick insulation, that should fit quite nicely on the freezer lip. Then I could just drill holes through the sandwiched material for my shanks, and would have plywood to mount my co2 splitters to...along with any other components. The 4 individual collar pieces would be screwed together with wood screws...two on each edge.

    So, my question is, for those of you more diy minded individuals, does anything strike you as an issue with this design?
     
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  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    If I had to build another collar, it wouldn't be of 1'' oak. It's too thin. a modern 2x4 is more like a 1-1/2" x 3-1/2" While your sandwich idea is creative, I wonder how much you'd gain for the effort. A 2x4 or 2x8, depending on how tall you want your keezer, should do well if it will sit on the lip. @billandsuz turned me onto: http://www.lowes.com/pd_13617-236-2..._clickID=cca119b2-0c62-4ee9-8083-6fda9ea5573e and it solved most of my condensation/mold problems. You can layer it on the inside as thick as you want. Just be careful no to let the stuff dry above the level of your collar where the lid needs to shut. You'll want 2 or 3 cans for a 10' freezer. Here is where I mention that I don't give a crap about what the inside of my keezer looks like. I gave up after multiple threads about trying to organize the damn gas lines. Forgetaboutit.

    I hope to see many more ideas for you to sift through.
     
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  3. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    My understanding that wood acts as a decent insulator (pine 2x4 has an R value = 4.4 from what I can tell) so extra insulation is not really needed. You loose a lot more just opening the lid on occasion.

    With that said, I used some stryofoam pieces around the whole collar when I built my keezer.

    I think doing a sandwich like you are talking about would be a lot of work for little payoff.
     
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  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    You lost me with all the dowels in between. If you go with the sandwiched insulation, just buy a sheet of the 1/2" Styrofoam and cut it to fit in the middle. It won't flex or move, just use a little wood glue.
     
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  5. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Protection from moisture or dings from moving the kegs around?
     
  6. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Just use solid 2 x 6s for the collar and be done with it.
     
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  7. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    I like the sandwich panel idea. I think the 1/2" spacers would do well and filling around them with the expanding foam insulation mentioned by @inchrisin. If you are worried about the flex and the force of closing and opening the lid being resisted by glue on each side of the spacer only you could oversize the spacer and actually add dowels through the birch-spacer-oak panel so the force is shared by both the birch and oak layers. It sounds like you are pretty handy and could probably make this work. You may want to beef up the back panel with a 2x where the hinges attach.
     
  8. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    To the people using 2x only, do you not get condensation on the outside of the 2x? That's a pretty low R value for a temperature differential that is very steady and predictable. I'm in the southeast so we deal with some high humidity levels in the summer.
     
  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I currently have just 1X10 Poplar all around mine. I did 3 layers of clear polyurethane coating all over mine, even the mitered edges, before assembling to seal it.
     
  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I was thinking of using the foam stuff, as well.

    I think it is a lot of work, and definitely over engineered...but I'm trying to increase efficiency, and reduce condensation. The R-value of the proposed insulation is 20, then the wood would add a bit more.

    When you have a long length of wood, and you're tightening down the shanks, it's going to try and pull the two pieces of wood together. Styrofoam isn't going to offer much resistance to this. Of course, it may not be applying enough pressure to matter.

    Yeah, trying to avoid damaging the styrofoam/foam, and not having large sections of the collar without insulation because I need to mount a bar of Co2/Nitrogen splitters, or having a larger openning to screw on the shank nut.
     
  11. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I think the hinges will be fine attached to the 1" oak...plus having the benefit of the ply-wood also being liquid nailed down providing some "beef."
     
  12. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    I have a very rigged up collar that is just 2x4 and I don't get condensation on the outside, tons on the inside though since my freezer is ancient. Note I do live in the frozen tundra that is New England.
     
  13. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    what material are you using that is R-20 at 1/2" thick?
     
  14. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Actually, I mispoke...I looked at a bunch of different insulation. The one I looked at is actually R3...they have it written as R 3.0 on the sheeting...and I misinterpreted it (while corral-ing my kids).
     
  15. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

  17. cheers2beers

    cheers2beers Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2005 Texas

    I liquidnailed a 2x4 collar down to the freezer. Silconed 1" thick foam backer board to the inside and then took foil tape to every square inch of this. Works great! No temp loss, no condensation, easy to drill thru.
     
  18. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    My keezer is 2x6's with a thin layer of styrofoam on the inside. It lives in my garage and I have never noticed condensation on the wood, even in the middle of summer in KY.
     
  19. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Great Stuff expanding foam insulation. We use it around door and window framing at the factory-built housing company I work at.
     
  20. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I used 1x4s to build the collar and like other comments before, used styrofoam to insulate the entire lid…she's just about to celebrate her fifth birthday and it works great for me. Maybe not the prettiest on the inside, but I care a lot more about the exterior than the interior.
     
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