Kegerator question

Discussion in 'Home Bar' started by casacola, Dec 27, 2013.

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  1. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    Hello, I am buying my first kegerator this week. It's a used True T-DD1, just over a year old. The seller said it was used only a handful of times and has not been used since. I asked them to plug it in so its running when I come to pick it up. My questions are

    1) what other things should I be on the look out for?
    2) the seller said I may want to replace the lines. I am in a pinch because we plan to use the kegerator for New Years and I doubt I can get beer lines. Can I use the same OD reinforced lines from homedepot? I know they are not food grade but will beer really react with the tubing?

    I plan to bring a digital thermoter to verify the cooling temp.

    Thanks
     
  2. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    To get this ready for New Years is a daunting task . . . that's only 96 hours away. If this is your first time kegging you will probably still be troubleshooting gas leaks on New Years Day. The key to pouring good draft beer is balancing the carb level of the beer, temp, pressure, and beer line length. Once you load a keg I would give it 24-48 hours to stabilize temperature. Only when temp is stable will you know what pressure to set. Then pressure determines the length of the beer line and commonly this involves some trail and error. Only when this is all properly balanced will you get a good pour.

    I would not use home depot lines for my beer. Don't know if they will make anyone sick, but I would not treat my guests that way. If you live in a large city and can find a Homebrew Supply Store they should have the proper beer lines . . . that would be my focus.

    I really don't want this to be a negative reply, but I don't see you pulling this off with the time remaining. Consider buying some really good bottled beer and give out invitations to a "Keg Khristening" for the Super Bowl.
     
  3. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    Thanks for your help. Im very familiar with co2 systems for other applications and fairly quick on leak detection. I have a few more questions

    1) I am buying the keg from the brewery and it will already be cold, hopefully close to what the kegerator temp will be. Will that help?
    2) Will having a commercial kegerator help cut down on the trial and error? I was told it would be much easier to dial in the TDD 1 over a haier or similar kegerator.
    3) if I don't replace the lines how do I clean them? The kegerator comes with a cleaning kit but no chemicals. I have a local resturant supply store trying to get me new lines by Monday.

    I'm up for this challenge. The beer I want to serve does not come in bottles or cans (yet)
     
  4. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    I just got new beer lines from the local resturant supply.
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Having the keg cold helps, but what you really need from the supplier is the "carbonation level" (expressed in volumes of CO2). Your supplier should have this info . . . if they stammer and stutter and say something like "set 11 psi" then ditch them and call the brewery or do a Google search. You probably know what temp you want your beer, but you have to determine what the kegerator is capable of producing. Ignore the air temp inside the unit, you want to measure actual beer temp. To make a simple 1-2ยบ temp change takes a long time (think overnight) because you have 15+ gallons of liquid. I have no experience with the TDD1, will let others give their experiences.

    Once you get carb level and temp sorted out you now compute your pressure:
    http://www.kegerators.com/carbonation-table.php

    Once you have your pressure you cut your beer line to match. Yep, if you serve a stout versus a hefeweizen you will have different length of lines:
    http://beersmith.com/blog/2011/07/14/keg-line-length-balancing-the-science-of-draft-beer/

    The steps above are what is referred to as "balancing your system". I'm pretty sure you just want a good beer and I'm throwing charts and formulas at you . . . but I don't know another way. It took me a couple of weeks to sort it all out. Yes you can just hook it up and pour, but results will be spotty at best. Maybe if everyone is drinking Boilermakers they won't notice any flaws.

    To clean old lines you need a product like Beer Line Cleaner, available from Homebrew Suppliers or Amazon.
     
  6. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Your plan to bring a thermometer won't tell you much other than it can cool a small volume of air. You should have the seller put a 5 gallon bucket of water in it and set the dial between half and three quarters. It should get that bucket to 40 or less at a setting like that. Dialing in is dialing in. A lesser kegerator needs a few tweaks before dialing in can start, but after that it is all the same.

    What beer will you be serving?
     
  7. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    Good stuff, thanks. Now I know to ask the brewery what psi to set the regulator to. I'm going to get a 1/4 or 1/6 barrel. It's from mile marker brewery in St. Augustine FL. We are going to do a sampling sunday and pick a keg. I'm picking the kegerator up tomorrow. I'm sure more questions will follow. Thanks again for the help.
     
  8. ravensjeff

    ravensjeff Initiate (0) Sep 27, 2013 Maryland

    Good idea replacing the beer lines on a used unit that's been out of service for a little while. You should also take apart the faucet and give it a good cleaning/scrubbing as well.

    The 1st keg I got was a 1/6 because I didn't want to waste the beer for having it too long and it going bad/flat. That keg was empty in less then 6 days; been buying 1/2 kegs ever since.

    I assume you already know what keg coupler to use?

    That Ancient City Red Ale looks pretty good. I'm getting a 1/2 keg of Sam Adams Winter Lager on Monday for the New Years Eve party. Good luck and Happy New Years!!
     
  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    This is what most people ask and it is the wrong question. Go back and re-read my second post . . . you want to ask the brewer the carbonation level of the beer. The answer will be something like 2.5 volumes. Tell them thanks, then go home and measure your beer temp, that's what determines the pressure. Not understanding the carbonation chart and the relationship between carb level, temp, and pressure is what dooms a lot of home keggers.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you do replace the lines (from whatever source), it's the ID you need to match, not the OD.
     
  11. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    Well the kegerator was junk. The compressor was low on refrigerant and the inside circulation fan was not turning on. Lots of corrosion on the bottom too. I found a Sanyo unit (cold plate) double tap and comes with alot of accessories. Does anyone have expierence with this kegerator? I could modify it with a small fan to cool the tower.
     
  12. zero_signal

    zero_signal Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2013 New Jersey

    That sucks...I think some Sanyos are better than others. Some are a Summit unit, some are lower end crap.Model number or pics?You should also modify with a circulation fan to:astonished:therwise coldair just rolls off coil to bottom of unit.
     
  13. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/for/4255001884.html

    It's that one. I found a bev air unit that I am going to look at. I rather have a commercial refrigeration unit over a cold plate however I have seen good reviews on the Sanyo. Building a circulation fan for the tower is simple.

    If I didn't need it by Tuesday I would order a summit with free shipping.
     
  14. zero_signal

    zero_signal Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2013 New Jersey

    ok , thats the better version..That one is the same as a summit
     
  15. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    The coldest the Sanyo will get a keg is 38 but in a garage it will keep it at 46. Is that cold enough? It does not seem like it is.
     
  16. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    It is not.
     
  17. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Aug 15, 2007 Rhode Island
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  18. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    I have been reading a lot and 38 degrees continues to pop up as the right temp to serve draft craft beer.
     
  19. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Temperature is a matter of preference, but if that unit only goes to 46 you will not be happy. 38 is the typical serving temp, anything lower and you start to desensitize your taste buds and lose flavor. Some beers benefit from being a little warmer as it allows the flavors to really come through. You can always pour a cold beer and have it warm up, very hard to go the other direction.
     
  20. casacola

    casacola Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 Florida

    The lowest the Sanyo will pull down is 38 and that's inside the house. If I keep it on a patio or garage it's 42-44. If I'm buying a kegerator to have the draft beer experience at home then it makes all the sense in the world to buy a commercial unit because that's what the bar uses. My fridge cools to 33 so my beer is colder in the fridge compared to a non commercial kegerator. It looks like I will be serving bottles this New Years.
     
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