Kegging for the first time question

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  1. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Hello,
    I am going to be kegging for the first time tonight. WOOHOO!!! But I have a question about which way to do it. I have a sheet from the LHBS on how to force carb, but feel like the "set and forget method is more up my ally. I need the beer for next Saturday, if I set and forget will it be OK for serving on Saturday or will it be a little under carbed? I can force carb it, I just worry that I will over do it and end up needing to try and undo some of it before the big day. Any thoughts or suggestions are very much welcome.
     
  2. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Any method involving a CO2 tank is technically force carbonation. The rate at which CO2 dissolves into the beer is dependent on surface area, pressure, and temperature (more surface area = faster). By shaking (or bubbling through a dip tube or carb stone) you are creating little bubbles which means more surface area.

    IMHO, your beer will probably be a little undercarbed after only 1 week at serving pressure. (Full disclosure: I like my beer fizzier than most.) Make sure the beer is cold, hook it up to 40 psi for 24 hours, then purge and repressurize to serving pressure for the remainder of the week. That should have you ready to drink before Saturday, in my experience.
     
  3. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Set and forget works so perfectly it's hard to argue against it. That said, there are a couple of work arounds. As stated, you can set higher pressure for the first day, then reduce to normal serving pressure. . . this gives it a quicker start. In theory you can roll it around (increase surface area exposure) at this higher pressure to make the jump-start even more effective, but now you're starting to mess with the "how much is enough" criteria. A sure fire method to have it ready in six days is to split into two tanks. I regularly slow carb 2.5 gal of beer in a 5 gal tank and it's ready PDQ, usually 'bout 3 days. What better way to start kegging than by doubling the kegs you'll need to clean!
     
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  4. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I personally find that the colder it is the better the Co2 gets into solution.. I pretty much do sub 35 now. For me it was taking way too long at 39/40
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Do you reduce the CO2 pressure when you reduce the temperature? If not, then it definitely will be faster (to get to the previously targeted CO2 volumes) at the lower temp and will also go past the target and result in more carbonation at equilibrium.

    I'm not sure there's anything inherently faster about carb'ing at lower temps, assuming the CO2 pressure is reduced to target the same level of carbonation.
     
  6. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I will try the "high pressure for a little then reduce it". Seems like The beer is cold crashing now and will be in the mid 30s when the kegging happens. If I didn't need it so soon, then I would probably do the normal pressure thing. Sometime I will try to do the quick method.
     
  7. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    I do the set and forget method. I don't like to mess with my regulator. There is a way to speed it up though if you have a long enough gas in line and you're strong enough.
    Once you have purged the air out of the headspace and the beer is at serving temp, pick up the keg with the gas line still attached, hold it horizontally with one hand on the top and one hand on the bottom and shake the hell out of it for 10 seconds. If you listen after you stop shaking you can hear a steady stream of gas bubbling in. When you don't hear the bubbles, shake the hell out of it again. Do this about 5 times once every 12 hours. In 48 hours it will carbed enough to put a head on a pour but not 100% carbed. When I do this my beer is at 38F and the regulator is at 13psi FWIW.
     
  8. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Of course.. only reason I started doing it is a good friend who is head brewer at a very large brewery recommended it... said they always have much better luck below 35.
     
  9. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    One small adjustment to what I wrote above. On the times I do this shake method the beer is actually at 33F the first time I shake it because it just came out of being cold crashed. 38F is the serving temp of my kegerator.
     
  10. brchapman

    brchapman Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2014 Georgia

    If it was me, I would carb high and cold for a day or so, then dial it down, keeping it close to freezing to make sure it was carbed enough for next weekend...
     
  11. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    I'm a "set and forget" guy too. I tried the high pressure for 24 hour thing, but was always happier setting for 12 psi and coming back after a few days.
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I'm a set it and don't forget it kind of guy. Yes, that beer has only been hooked up to 9 psi for 2 days, but I can't get it out of my mind and have to have some, right now.
     
  13. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Well like all good plans, you have to be ready to change them... Was cleaning everything the way I was told/shown/seen and low and behold the gas in line was leaking from a crimped area near the grey connector.... Did the force carb according to the sheet from the LHBS and set it in my mini fridge without gas connected. Will bring the line into the LHBS tomorrow and see if they can crimp it better... Also need a ring clamp for the out line near the black disconnect... othewise, I spent maybe 30 minutes less then bottling and that was for the first time and with the few "OH crap..." moments...
     
  14. MarkGP

    MarkGP Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Rhode Island

    I'm usually a set it and forget it guy but another method if you need a beer in a hurry and I am surprised this wasn't mentioned is to swap out the gas disconnect with a liquid disconnect and charge through the out post at a higher pressure. You will get more co2 into solution without shaking or rolling. I can fully carb a beer in 24 hours at 30 psi and 34 degrees this way. Just don't forget to swap the disconnects when you are done!
     
  15. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I actually did mention it above, in passing:
    But thanks for elaborating anyway, since I assume OP isn't familiar with the method.
     
  16. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    There are a couple of options in-between "set and forget" and "shake and bake" too. Buying a little carb stone and attaching it to your gas tube with some tubing will cut your carb time in half. Also, just switching your gas and beverage disconnects and bubbling co2 through the beverage dip tube instead of the gas one will speed things up. Always carb as cold as possible too.
    Also, don't be afraid to shake the keg if you are in a hurry. Agitation in a high pressure, neutral gas environment doesn't create nearly as much foam as you may think.
     
  17. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Any suggestions for how to stop a leak from the tubing on the barbed end of the connecter? I tried crimping the o-clamp down a little better and slowed it, but it is leaking enough to hear. Can I Teflon tap or electrical tap the hell out of it to make it work or should I just cut the tubing and replace the clamp?
     
  18. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

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    Get rid of the crimp type and get the worm gear type.
    Also make sure the hose size and barb size match. The hose shouldn't slip on easy. When I put a hose on a barb I have to heat the hose end in hot water to soften it enough to slip on.
    DON'T Put teflon tape on a barb. It is for thread sealing only.
     
  19. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    I often times end up cutting the last couple inches off the end of the hose. And the worm gear hose clamps. Those crimper style clamps are among the worst ideas ever invented by humanity.
     
  20. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I got some worm gear clamps as my serving/beer out line had no clamps on it at all. bought some extras just in case i needed them. Looks like I do. For the record, I wasn't going to Teflon tape the barb, just the end of the hose where the leak is.
     
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