Kellerbier Primer

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  1. meefmoff

    meefmoff Zealot (504) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I thought this was a decent read and learned a couple things. The coolest thing was that you can apparently still tour some genuine, old school, kellers (beer cellars) in Franconia. I want to go to there.

    https://thetakeout.com/what-is-kellerbier-beer-1835489534

    "Joe Stange, the Berlin-based co-author of Good Beer Guide Belgium and a frequent traveler to Franconia, tells me he located the term kellerbier in a German dictionary printed in 1805. The definition specified the beer was not just beer obtained from a person’s own cellar, but from the communal, public keller.

    “Especially in Franconia, that was where and still is where you go to get fresh beer. Even now there, the word is interchangeable with beer garden,” he says. “Today there are some breweries, if you get their beer in a bottle, they’d call it helles or lager beer, but if you go to their keller, the same beer is called kellerbier.”
     
  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  3. xKURTx

    xKURTx Initiate (27) Jun 3, 2019 Nebraska
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    Me too, and I think that's the mark of a good article like this. I really like Kate's writing and the beer coverage on the Takeout. For those who haven't, check it out: https://thetakeout.com/tag/beer
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,751) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @meefmoff, you might enjoy watching the below video.

    Prost!

     
  5. meefmoff

    meefmoff Zealot (504) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Yeah I agree. I like the way she typically presents things as if she's learning along with you rather than simply "telling you".
     
  6. meefmoff

    meefmoff Zealot (504) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    That was fantastic, thanks! And since I don't see myself getting to Franconia any time soon it will have to serve as my visit for now.

    Also, if I lived on the side of a hill I'd totally build one of those.
     
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  7. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (13,827) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Cool article. I liked the Shelton Bros. video better (was that Ray from d.b.a.? - looked familiar but I don't know the Shelton Bros.). The real answer here is get your ass to Franconia!
     
  8. Mark-Leggett

    Mark-Leggett Poo-Bah (1,726) Jul 30, 2014 Missouri
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    This is really cool. I lived in Germany for four and a half years but I was young and not drinking beer yet. :slight_frown:
     
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  9. meefmoff

    meefmoff Zealot (504) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I feel like there's a joke in here somewhere about toddlers in Germany drinking beer :slight_smile:
     
  10. SSGCujo

    SSGCujo Disciple (342) Jul 12, 2016 Wisconsin

    Kellerbiers are unfiltered lagers that are found around not only in Franconia, but throughout Bavaria. Most breweries make a Zwickel, or Unfiltered Lager. The only US one that I've had that is any good, is Urban Chestnut, St. Louis. The best imported German Unfiltered Lagers/Kellerbiers are Mahrs and Monschof. The beer is a cloudy, tasty, and low IBU beer. I drank them often in Germany. They're all over Bavaria, it's a common German beer, not so much here.
     
  11. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,657) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    No toddlers, but I saw a grandma pour 2 small mug-fulls from her Maß of Dunkel and give them to her 9 and 12 year-old grand kids at the Hofbräu München!
     
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  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Poo-Bah (1,907) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I've had quite a few in Germany.

    One that stood out was a Keller Pils by Rittmayer, while wandering the Kellerwald. The wort saw me taking a picture of the kegs, ask if I wanted to see the Keller, so off we went. Fun experience, even though you had to watch your head and the ceiling.
     
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  13. SudsDoctor

    SudsDoctor Defender (686) Nov 23, 2008 New York
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    :astonished::thinking_face:?
     
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  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Poo-Bah (1,907) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Excuse my autocorrect, the Wirt.

    The owner in German.
     
  15. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,798) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    When the wort starts talking to you, it’s time to put down your beer. :slight_smile:
     
  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Poo-Bah (1,907) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Wort becomes beer once the yeast is added, but is sugar water. I think you know that.
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,751) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My wort says: "Pitch me, pitch me!":stuck_out_tongue:

    Cheers!
     
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  18. SudsDoctor

    SudsDoctor Defender (686) Nov 23, 2008 New York
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    And all this time I thought it was the yeast that wanted to be pitched. :wink:
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,751) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A win-win situation!?!:confused:

    Cheers!
     
  20. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,812) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    This is a little anecdotal, but I feel like the ones I've had from Franconia are very different from the ones in and around Munich. The Franconian examples have mostly been rich, nutty, and malt-forward. Most have also been khaki colored.
    The ones from near Munich are mostly pale, hoppy, and dry. There are obviously exceptions for both, but that has been my experience overall.
     
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  21. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Poo-Bah (1,907) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I agree with this. Exceptions are out there like the Kellerpils I mentioned.
     
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  22. Dandrewjohn

    Dandrewjohn Initiate (140) Apr 13, 2013 Texas

    "If you take away only one message from this story, it’s that in terms of the beers you’ll encounter in the U.S., keller bier is unfiltered lager."
    Sounds pretty damn fine to me. Bring it!
     
  23. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,751) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What you are describing here is consistent with the BJCP style guidelines:

    “Kellerbier: Pale Kellerbier

    A very common seasonal summer beer brewed by many of the Munich area breweries and served in the beer gardens, where they are very popular.”

    And,

    “Kellerbier: Amber Kellerbier

    The original style of Kellerbier from the Franconia area of Germany. A much older style compared to the relatively more recent pale Helles-Style Kellerbier that is popular in the Munich area today.”

    Cheers!
     
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  24. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,812) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Go figure! Good to know I'm not just imagining things. As far as exceptions go, Spezial's Ungespundetes would be one. A friend of mine that lives nearby even commented that it has gotten drier and paler in recent years. Near Munich, the new'ish Franziskaner example mimicks the ones further north. It's light brown and toasty/nutty. The one-off Andechs example from 2004 was also along those lines. Paulaner's Zwick'l doesn't really resemble either type, although I really liked it.
     
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