Kvass Quest! Help Me Add This

Help Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by elNopalero, Dec 2, 2019.

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  1. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,897) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    But even grocery store "soda" kvass bottles may or may not say "ABV <0.5%" or along those lines. I've seen it on bottles that are basically soda but I've also seen examples where no ABV was listed at all even though it was actual kvass. Not sure if ABV is determinative here.
     
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  2. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    They operate in California so doesn't that state require an abv if there is one?

    They being European Importing Company.
     
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  3. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,897) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    I'm not sure if such a minimal percentage is required to be reported. Kefir and buttermilk might have a similar ABV as kvass and I don't recall that being reported.

    But at the end, who knows?
     
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  4. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    Kombucha as well.
     
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  5. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I'm late to the party & regardless of thoughts (sorry), this was hashed out long ago based on a question by my notable colleague @UCLABrewN84 who likewise felt that kvass may not be "beer". This question/battle has been fought & won by the Kvass Supporters. Kvasses should ABSOLUTELY be added & a request for assistance should not be met with debate.

    For OP: If your request has been met, then I call upon @Todd to lock the thread, lest it devolve into an already-settled debate.
     
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  6. mikeg67

    mikeg67 Pooh-Bah (2,120) Nov 12, 2010 New Jersey
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    Don't buy kvas in a Russian store. I have not seen a good one yet. It tastes more like soda than kvas. You might need to go to Russia to get a real taste of kvas (I was there in August and kvas was excellent).
     
  7. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I wasn't about to spend thousands to go to Russia to check off a style. :sunglasses:

    I did drive six hours for one style (Gruit), but made a beer shopping trip of it too. So I was only willing to spend hundreds! :rolling_eyes:
     
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  8. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    In Finland they make Sima for Vappu or last of april. This drink is typically made of a mixture of white and brown sugar brought to a boil with sliced lemons, the liquid is left to cool and then some bread yeast is added and left for 24 hours, then the liquid is strained into plastic bottles and some raisins are added, it is left in a cool cellar and once the raisins float to the top after a couple of days it is ready to drink, having attained some light carbonation. I found a reference to citronenkwas (lemon kvass) from 1888 in a German textbook, which also discusses regular kwass, which describes a very similar beverage:

    "A second, not less beloved kind is the lemon kwas. Lemon slices (out of which the kernels are removed), raisins and syrup are brewed with water, after cooling down a mixture of yeast and wheat flour is added, and diluted with cold water. As soon as the lemons and raisins rise to the top and a cover is formed at the top, all is removed with a straining spoon and the kwas is drawn off into bottles, in which 1 to 2 raisins have been placed beforehand. The bottles are corked and brought onto ice and after 5 to 6 days the kwas is ready to drink".

    Apart from adding the raisins to the boil, and adding wheat flour to the cooled liquid, it is pretty much identical to how Sima is made today in Finland. It seems likely that there has been some Russian influences to this drink, and it shows how kwas/kvass as a term could encompass a broad spectrum of beverages. I'm reminded here of the Swedish term dricka, which historically has been a term used for both low gravity malt beverages, simple sugar based fermented beverages (sockerdricka=sugar drink), juniper based fermented beverages (enbärsdricka=juniper drink) and even flour and yeast based beverages (mjöldricka=flour drink).
     
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  9. mikeg67

    mikeg67 Pooh-Bah (2,120) Nov 12, 2010 New Jersey
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    :slight_smile:
     
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  10. macrosmatic

    macrosmatic Pooh-Bah (2,735) Mar 9, 2006 Florida
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    Did you ever manage to make a discovery about the appropriate listing for the "Standart" bottle? I unknowingly purchased a bottle of this and ran into the same dead-end you did trying to figure out a producer (brewer?) so I could add it...
     
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  11. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    No progress, yet. For such an inconsequential thing it’s taken up a significant amount of my time already! Next time I’m updating my reviews I’ll try adding this with a link to this forum. Any moderators reading this, feel free to chime in with suggestions!



     
  12. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Random update, in terms of kvass: while traveling I picked up a bottle of kvass that I’ve never seen at my local markets. Similar situation as above. Someday I’ll attempt adding them (as well as the Iranian 0.0% NA beer I found at the same place).
     
  13. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,897) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    Curious to see the Iranian NA beer. Have a picture of the new kvass and the Iranian beer?
     
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  14. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Once technology and I sort out our relationship problems I’ll post pics... with more requests for help tracking sources down.
     
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  15. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Procrastination in a time of a pandemic. I've reached the "time to upload photos of kvass bottles" stage of things.

    For your viewing pleasure, I present a gallery of kvass I have had since starting this thread:



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    White Bread Kvass

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    I believe this was the white kvass.

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    Russian Standard, filtered.


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    Unfiltered kvass.

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    Petroff Kvass

    This was a fun experience.

    For the record, the unfiltered Russian Standard was my favorite out of the bunch.

    Eventually I'll get around to adding these to the database!
     
  16. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,897) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. Where do you find such a kvass variety? Also where is the Iranian beer?

    Did you end up adding these to the database here?
     
  17. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Sister site, Untappd, recently added the Kvass RYEot badge!
     
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  18. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    And the Iranian NA beer. Today seemed as good as any to crack it open. Surprisingly drinkable, all things considered. It has a similar "bready" flavor like the kvass I've found at the Russian markets. I was in no rush to try this, as the expiration date was October, 2018 (as far as I can tell)... But it's not terrible, and I've certainly had worse NA beers before.
     
  19. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Edit and update: I found a match for the White Bread Kvass--it's from Gubernija, although the brand name appears nowhere on the bottle. (I found it via http://bandifoods.com/beverages/)

    @cryptichead I found most of these while shopping for pickles in Russian markets in San Francisco, although the White Bread & Istak came home with me after a visit to a Middle Eastern market in SoCal earlier this year. My kvass-quest is temporarily paused, as with everything else, but I’m looking forward to continuing the search!
     
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  20. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,897) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    That's awesome! Thanks for sharing. Did that Iranian NA beer taste closer to kvass or closer to NA beer? I'm sure Iran is one of the hardest countries to tick on here. Very impressive :grin:
     
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