Lacto produce ethanol?

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  1. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    So does lactobacillus produce alcohol? I understand it depends on the strain of lacto? I recently soured my wort with .5 lb of grains and my SG seemed to drop by a good 20 points. I was only measuring about 1.015 post sour and pre boil. I've used this method before and don't recall my SG dropping that much. Am I ok or should I add some DME? I was in a hurry when collecting wort and did not record initial SG. But I've got my system dialed in and usually right on.
     
  2. c64person

    c64person Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2010 Michigan

    Certain species can produce alcohol. Hottenroth from Bruery is fully fermented with just lacto. I don't know about a 20 point drop that quickly though. Maybe re-measure? Or your initial OG was high?
     
  3. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    My somewhat limited understanding of lacto is that most strains used in brewing produce very small amounts of ethanol. I would suspect that you had a contamination (probably saccharomyces) somewhere along the way that caused the gravity to drop as much as it did. You should be okay adding DME to up the gravity.
     
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  4. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    I'll second @secondbase that it sounds like you have an infection with a sacc or Brett strain. Heterolactic metabolizers can produce small amounts of ethanol, but only small amounts...maybe a drop of 1-2 points, but definitely not 20! Here is a chart and link to some good info on lacto metabolism... http://www.milkthefunk.com/wiki/Lactobacillus#Metabolism [​IMG]
     
  5. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    No beer is fully fermented by lacto...it just isnt metabolically possible.
     
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  6. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Yeah, it seems to be some sort of yeast contamination. It actually dropped about 25 points, went from 1.040 to 1.015 in 3.5 days. I didn't notice that active of fermentation though? Seems to taste ok... wouldn't I get some off flavors due to the 90F+ temps though? Come to think of it, how would yeast survive the higher temps from mash? Guess I'm still a little baffled by this.
     
  7. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    The contamination likely came from your fermentation vessel, or any cold side plastic equipment that came in contact with your wort. You may want to check your cleaning and sanitizing regimen to be sure you're not missing anything that might invite unwanted bugs into your beers.

    As for the off flavors, maybe it's a strain that likes high temps (brew any saisons recently?).
     
  8. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    I co pitch lacto and sacc at 120 for my sours and haven't had a problem/off flavor from pitching at a high temp or fermenting at 90-100. I reuse that yeast/bug cake for many generations as well and have never had issues.
     
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  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    You more than likely had a wild yeast on the grains you used that fermented. Lacto can't fully ferment beer wort.
     
  10. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Good to know.
    What a hobby! You can do this for years, and still learn something new! Thanks everybody. I think I'll try a different souring technique next time... maybe the Good Belly approach.
     
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