Lager fermentation failed to start

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I just want to state that I have had the distinct pleasure to drink a number (four?) of different lagers brewed by Jim (@premierpro) and all of those beers were of very, very high quality. They were brewed true to style with no perceptible off-flavors. There were no perceptible esters as one specific example.

    Cheers!
     
  2. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    With a yeast like 34/70 you can do this, I think. I am a low and slow, well not so slow, guy for my lagers.
     
  3. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    Got another pack of yeast and got my starter going, still no activity in the fermentor. If by some chance I wake up tomorrow and there's activity, should I still pitch the starter?
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you have another use for the yeast starter?

    Cheers!
     
  5. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    Not in the near future, I'm only able to brew about once a month. So if I end up hanging on to this starter I'll just brew another beer with it then, in say 4 weeks. I think I could just decant the entire starter into a mason jar, seal up with lid and put into the fridge then on brew day just decant about 80% of the wort then pitch?
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have no personal experience here; I have never 'saved' a starter.

    Hopefully some other BA who has done this will chime in with advice here.

    As I see it you have three options if your beer starts having signs of fermentation:
    • Just add your stater to this batch
    • Dump your starter down the drain
    • 'Save' your starter for another batch
    Cheers!
     
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  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I would still pitch it. Remember, you have seriously underpitched . . . expect some consequences from that. If you do have airlock activity there would be nothing wrong with saving half of the starter and pitching half. I regularly do this (start more than I need) to have "fresh" yeast to store for the next brew day. The new yeast will still have to go through their own adaptive phase . . . expect about 18 hours for it to take off.
     
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  8. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    Had a little bit of activity today when I pitched the starter at about 1500 today, just checked it and I now have activity in the airlock :grinning:. Thanks for the help.
     
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  9. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Note to self: Brew lager as usual next winter and then supplement with 2nd starter/3rd dry sachet 5 days later. (I think your beer is going to turn out just fine)
     
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  10. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    How'd it work out?
     
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  11. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    I agree there isn't much of a different in that range. My fermentation profile for lagers is to pitch at 50°F and ferment for 5 days then raise the temperature to 54°F for a week and then bring it up to 65°F for two weeks to ensure complete fermentation and a more than sufficient diacetyl rest. This method has resulted in some very clean beers, including the the German Pils I have on tap right now. Not really any malt or over the top hops to hide behind in that recipe either.
     
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  12. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    After pitching the starter I had about 6 days of airlock activity at 53 degrees, then when it just about had stopped I raised the temp up to 60. I finished with the d-rest today and started dropping the temp back down to 53 and porb take a gravity reading sometime next week. My plain is to keg then drop the temp down to lager temps for about a month.
     
  13. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    For a 4.2% beer it has a med to full mouthfeel, not thin at all. Getting just a touch of the roasty malts that quickly fades to a nice hop zing on the back of the tounge. I must admit I don't drink lagers very much these days, but this may change. I think I'll brew this one again and drop the dark malts next time. Thanks again guys for the help.
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