Lager questions

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  1. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    so I have again attempted to make lager beer. 35 days ago made the following

    10 lb marris otter
    .5 lb L10
    .5 lb carapills
    1 oz perle @60 min
    1 oz perle @ 5 min
    Mash 148
    OG 1.048
    1 packet of safe lager yeast

    Racked @ 10 days
    Currently in secondary and still fermenting @ 49 degrees.
    Current gravity 1.009
    Smells great no infection I can see or smell, so
    Do I wait until all signs of ferment are gone or do I bottle.

    For comparison I made another lager same grain bill and temps but with citra hops , fermented on the first lagers yeast cake, racked at 10 days, and is not showing the fermenting action the first lager is.

    So, should I bottle the first lager or continue to wait?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The only "sign of fermentation" that matters in regard to attenuation is the beer's gravity. Is it still changing? 5 weeks is a really long time for attenuation, even at lager fermentation temperatures.
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    No gravity has been the same for 1 week. I am concerned about bottle bombs. Perhaps I am paranoid.
     
  4. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    After 35 days I would suspect your fermentation is complete, but what I would do is bump the temperature up to 65 or so for 3 days and confirm it's complete with a gravity reading. The temperature increase would accomplish a couple things, it would encourage fermentation to finish if it hasn't and serve as a diacetyl rest.

    The first lager I made I fermented in primary for 3 weeks at 50, "confirmed" FG with a couple readings and proceeded to keg. The beer tasted great going into the keg, but after lagering and carbonating at 35 for 2 weeks I tasted a sample and was hit with diacetyl. The FG had not changed, but suspect there were still a lot of diacetyl pre-cursors when I kegged the beer. Ultimately, I krausened that beer and warmed it up to room temperature to clean up the diacetyl and it turned out ok, but far from my best effort.

    I brew lagers about 50% of the time now and have adopted a general fermentation profile of ~50 for 5-7 days, free rise to ~55 for 5-7 days, and then bring the temperature up to ~65 for 5-7 days. Following this I keg and lager. Temperature and time depends OG and the yeast I'm using, but this profile has consistently produced very clean, crisp beer. The higher temperatures encourage full attenuation but don't encourage esters since fermentation almost complete.
     
  5. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Yeah, you should probably warm this thing up to room temp for a diacetyl rest. Lager "fermentation" shouldn't really take much longer than ale. It's the lagering at near freezing temps that takes time, this is done after fermentation.
    My lager schedule usually goes like this: ferment around 50F for 8-10 days, then slowly raise temp up to 65F over a couple days, then leave at room temp for about a week, then keg and lager at 35F for a month or longer.
     
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    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Also, I use 2 packs of yeast, if using dry. But sounds like that is not your issue.

    By the way, I like the idea of a lager with maris otter! I've been meaning to try that.
     
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  7. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Sounds like it is done to me.
     
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  8. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Thanks everybody. I decided to bottle half and heat half. What I bottled tasted great. The next lager is the same grain but with citra hops. It is much younger and I pitched the wort on the old yeast cake. It's in the secondary with little or no ferment. Another week with a temp rise an ill bottle it.
     
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  9. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    If you are sure your FG was 1009 there`s no need to worry about bottle bombs cos there is not a bunch of sugars left to be eaten thus not too much Co2 to be added. So you can go either way bottling or leaving it a bit longer at room temp(preferable to me).
     
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