Lambics for a noob

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by rmank, Aug 13, 2013.

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  1. rmank

    rmank Savant (1,117) Mar 26, 2012 South Carolina

    Looking to explore the world of lambics and seeking some advice on where to start.
     
  2. mulder1010

    mulder1010 Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2008 Australia

    boon. respectable stuff if you can not find cantillon or 3f
     
  3. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/10

    Some of the best you won't be able to just stroll down to the store and pick up, but there are likely some that you have ready access to. I'd start with Drie Fonteinen Oude Kriek.
     
  4. rmank

    rmank Savant (1,117) Mar 26, 2012 South Carolina

    Being that you're from VA too, are there any that you've found easier to get here?
     
  5. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Sadly not much outside of the Lindemans. But depending on where you live in VA we often have things on that list at our tastings we'd be happy to share.
     
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  6. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    None. You love them or hate them, there are no gateway lambics. Try Cantillon for fruit lambic and Girardin, Drie Font, or Tilquin for gueuze. Avoid all Lindemans unless the bottle says "Cuvee Rene."
     
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  7. Christopper

    Christopper Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 New York

    that's awful nice of you!
     
  8. VictorWisc

    VictorWisc Maven (1,379) Jan 2, 2013 Massachusetts

    Was going to say the same thing about Lindemans--it's the white zinfandel of lambics (except Cuvee Rene).
     
  9. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    *flame suit on*

    I just got started on lambics and actually found myself enjoying Lindemans Framboise from a bottle more than Cantillon Gueuze from draft (not at the same sitting). Same with my wife.

    I know, I know...I think for pretty much any new style of beer you haven't enjoyed/tried, it takes some time to get into them, figure out what's good/bad, understand what each style is about, and what you like after several rounds of each and various brands. I just got a small Tilquin Gueuze that I'm looking forward to trying and will be watching this thread for recommendations.

    Al
     
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  10. phooky

    phooky Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2010 New York

    The incredible amount of sugar that they add makes it much more palatable to a pallet unfamiliar with the nature of sours.

    just my 2c
     
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  11. VictorWisc

    VictorWisc Maven (1,379) Jan 2, 2013 Massachusetts

    Just couldn't help myself... too funny! I'm usually not one to give to my professional urges to correct grammar, spelling, etc., but this one is a gem.
     
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  12. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Check out Lindemans Cuvee Rene. It's a great starter gueuze and is usually pretty widely available.

    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/187/6104
     
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  13. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Oh, FWIW, the Lindermans Pomme (apple) was horrendous, almost undrinkable.

    The funny thing is that I really like American wild ales from RR, but just got into them recently and had to go through several before being able to appreciate them. Now I absolutely LOVE RR Supplication and actively seek it out. I just didn't find the gueuze "special" right from the start with the Cantillon, but I barely had very much of it. There is a soursfest at a local bar this Saturday that I'm going to. Here's the list if anyone want to make some recommendations on what should be tried (bolded ones are those I either had and/or planning on getting):

    1809 Berliner Weisse
    4 Hands Cuvee Angel
    4 Hands Prussian Berliner Weisse
    Alvinne Undressed
    Alvinne Zythmore
    Ballast Point Sour Wench
    Banhof Berliner w/ Oats & Barley,
    Banhof Berliner w/ Potatoes
    Bell's Oarsman
    Blue Point Sour Cherry Imperial Stout
    Brew Works Berliner Weisse
    Brew Works Framboise
    Brew Works Funky Monkey
    Bruery Hottenroth
    Bruery Saison de Lente
    Bruery Sour in the Rye
    Bullfrog Coq Fight
    Bullfrog Jong Bruin
    Bullfrog Strange Orange
    Bullfrog Top Banana
    Carton Digger Gose
    Carton Intermezzo
    Carton Monkey Chase the Weasel
    Cuvee des Jacobins Rogue
    Dogfish Head Festina Peche
    Evil Twin Justin Blabaer
    Evil Twin Ron & the Beast Ryan
    Free WIll Napoleon Red
    Free Will Napoleon Sour
    Ithaca White Gold
    Jolly Pumpkin Bam Biere
    Jolly Pumpkin Luciernaga
    Jolly Pumpkin IO Saison
    Jolly Pumpkin Madrigada
    Jolly Pumpkin Maracaibo
    Jolly Pumpkin Oro Calabaza
    Jolly Pumpkin Parcella
    Jolly Pumpkin Weizen Bam
    Leipziger Gose
    Leifman's Goudenband
    Manayunk Grand Cru
    Manayunk Schuylkill Punch with Brett
    Oxbow Sasuga
    Petrus Brune
    Petrus Aged Pale Ale
    Rodenbach Grand Cru
    Round Guys Saison Du Pomme
    Round Guys Wild Sour Quad
    Round Guys Wild Eye #10
    Russian River Sanctification
    Russian River Supplication
    Russian River Temptation
    Tilquin Gueze
    Vapeur Cochonne

    OP, hope you don't mind a slight hijack, but maybe this will add to what you're looking to explore.

    Al
     
  14. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    St. Louis Fond Tradition is a pretty good gueuze, and based on how it's always on the shelves around here, I'm guessing it's pretty easy to get elsewhere in the U.S.

    Also, another vote for Tilquin Oude Gueuze, which seems readily available and is a nice way to get some of that Cantillon "flavor" without the hassle, since they use Cantillon lambic as their base.

    And I would second the thoughts of those who said there aren't really any "crossover" or "introductory" lambics, since the style is so uncompromisingly tart/sour. But, I tend to recommend to people trying to get into sour beers that jumping in the deep end is the best way to start anyway. I had never tried a sour beer until I visited the Cantillon brewery--I left Belgium a sour fanatic.
     
  15. Flibber

    Flibber Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 England

    I agree with this. People will say stuff like Lindemans Cuvée René, but really, it's not so different from Cantillon Gueuze or whatever. Whichever lambic you go for (barring the sweetened stuff), will be pretty different from other beers. You might love it from the very start, you might find it an acquired taste or you might hate it forever, but I think you just have to dive in and give it a go.

    Just be aware that some producers (Lindemans, Boon, Timmermans, Mort Subite...) produce some sweetened stuff and if you're looking for traditional products from them, it ought to say "Oude", "Vieille" "A l'ancienne" or some such somewhere on the bottle.
     
  16. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Look for the words "oude" or "Cantillon." That's about how easy it really is.
     
  17. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    I think it gets talked about as a "beginner" gueuze in the US because of price and availability not because it is really a "training wheels" sour beer. :slight_smile:
     
  18. Flibber

    Flibber Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 England

    I see. In that sense it probably is a good place to start then.
     
  19. westcoastbeerlvr

    westcoastbeerlvr Grand Pooh-Bah (4,115) Oct 19, 2010 California
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    Cuvee Rene is actually pretty solid, especially considering price and availability. Stay away from that St. Louis Gueuze. It's made by Van Honsebrouck way out in West Flanders and isn't even made with real lambic. Plus it tastes like metal. If you can find them, Girardin and Drie Fonteinen are the way to go. Tilqiin's is now making pretty good product, even if they're in Wallonia.
     
  20. mtomlins

    mtomlins Pooh-Bah (1,585) Mar 12, 2010 Canada (ON)
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    I would add the Jolly Pumpins to your list; they are making some incredible brews and they are also fairly widely accessible. I have tried both Luciernaga and Oro de Calabaza and both were great. I found the Luciernaga to be a bit more sour and drier than Oro; just my 2 cents.
     
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