Leaking Waxed Bottle Help

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by jeevo, Sep 10, 2022.

  1. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Received a bottle today where it appears a tiny bit of beer leaked out of the bottle. The glass bottle and wax is 100% in tact, but the bubble wrap has some “fresh” stout that was wet to the touch. It’s also odd that I cannot tell if there is any beer in the bottle at all. When I lightly shake the bottle, or turn it upside down it looks and sounds like it’s completely empty. Could this be due to the bottle being filled to the top? I’ve been trading for a decade and have never seen anything like this.
     
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  2. BigIronH

    BigIronH Poo-Bah (1,606) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    If an entire bottle was spilled out in a box, you should be able to tell.
     
  3. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Is the slight leakage ok? I just can’t fathom how beer would spill out of the bottle when the wax and glass is completely unscathed.
     
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  4. Providence

    Providence Champion (815) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Time to drink it. If it did leak, it ain’t gonna get any better than it is now. And if it didn’t leak, you just had yourself a nice stout.
     
  5. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Drink it as in today? Or would it still be alright next weekend when I was planning on opening it?
     
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  6. BigIronH

    BigIronH Poo-Bah (1,606) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    If a bottle showed up to my house that I expected was literally empty, I would open it right then and there. I don’t have patience for something like that. What’s the point of cellaring an empty bottle anyhow? And if it’s leaking, you’re losing carbonation by the minute anyways. Time to open it and enjoy what you can. Cheers.
     
  7. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I’m not cellaring it long term. Wife is out with my son so she won’t be able to partake and I’m going out for beers with my friends here in an hour. Was going to open the Dimensions of Time set with my wife and friend next weekend and am just going to open this beer then. Crossing my fingers it tastes ok lol. I’ll report back.
     
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  8. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,778) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    You should be able to tell if the bottle is full or empty by just picking it up and seeing how heavy it is. Compare it to other filled and empty bottles. (Considering that this was from a trade, you should take pictures of this as best you can.)
     
  9. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,778) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I should add that the second part is especially true considering that this was a wax sealed stout.
     
  10. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (9,923) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Not only that, but shining a flashlight through the bottle will show if it's full, empty or somewhere in between.
     
  11. readyski

    readyski Defender (603) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    A. Either something is wrong with the beer, or you're paranoid.
    B. You need to immediately open (and consume) said beer to verify. Time is of the essence.
    C. Quit your whining.
    D. Report back here the results.
     
  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (3,630) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Any moisture stains on the outer packaging? If you suspect the bottle is light, it probably is, but I'm surprised you can't see anything thru the glass to confirm. If you want to wait until next weekend, do it. Loss of carbonation in a special waxed stout is no big deal. If it's a social function and you're relying upon this beer o be he center of he party, have a Plan B.
     
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  13. BigIronH

    BigIronH Poo-Bah (1,606) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Not so sure he’s whining as he is asking for input which is a good part of what this site is used for. Cheers bud.
     
  14. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    The beer in question is a stout from The Eighth State (Dazed). If you’ve ever had a beer from them, you’ll know that their glass is extremely thick and heavy. I’ve been a member on BA for a decade and have completed hundreds of trades and have never seen anything like this before. It’s impossible to tell if there is any liquid in the bottle, whether with a flashlight, by flipping it upside down, etc.

    It feels as if either the bottle is empty or that the liquid inside is completely frozen.
     
  15. MattOC

    MattOC Defender (661) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    The 375 size/style bottle they use is no heavier and or thicker than other breweries that use the same bottle.

    I find it hard to believe you can’t determine if there is anything left in the bottle, given all your trades and time on BA.

    I looked up the bottle online, take off the label that’s on it. Plenty of pics of this online with light on the bottle that you can see through it.

    Or the side of the bottle where the label doesn’t go all the way around?


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  16. BigIronH

    BigIronH Poo-Bah (1,606) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Open her up.
     
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  17. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Poo-Bah (1,917) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    I’ve had bottles before that weren’t cleaned of any contents drips down the side from filling. They are sticky. When they heat up after transport, they even feel a little damp to the touch and stink of stale beer. Perhaps this is your situation.
     
  18. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Aspirant (246) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    As a person with OCD (actual OCD) and a lot of anxiety wrapped up around germs and all related things, I’d probably toss it and then feel shame after washing my hands for about five minutes. Love the way my mind works:heavymetal:
    As others have said, crack it open, and be bolder than I. Cheers :beers:
     
  19. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Meyvn (1,365) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Did you trade with a reputable trader or a new one?
     
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  20. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    100% reputable trader. I have no doubts that the bottle is legit, I was more wondering about how it’s physically possible for a waxed bottle to leak as well as what if the bottle was mistakenly sent out from the brewery empty. Like I’ve said above, it feels like the bottle is either empty or as if the liquid inside is completely frozen. I’ve been in the game for about 12 years now and I’ve never seen anything like this. I mean, the bottle is most likely filled but if someone on the street gave me the bottle and told me they would give me $1000 if I could guess whether it was empty or not, I honestly wouldn’t be able to lean one way or the other.
     
  21. MattOC

    MattOC Defender (661) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I’m still stunned that you can’t determine if there is beer in the bottle or not-still saying it could be either. Wtf. Looking at the side that I pointed out where the label breaks, no fill line, a light off of an amber bottle.

    A waxed bottle could certainly leak if for some crazy reason the cap wasn’t sealed properly before it was waxed.

    The way you’ve told it and people have asked, there isn’t beer everywhere in the box and or on all over the bottle. So, a small leak possible.

    The brewery sent it out empty and then your trader didn’t realize it was empty either and traded it to you…

    Can we just stop with this nonsense.
     
    #21 MattOC, Sep 11, 2022
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2022
  22. BigIronH

    BigIronH Poo-Bah (1,606) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Open. It. Open. It. Open. It. Open. It.
     
  23. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Meyvn (1,365) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    It was so overcarbed there wasn’t any room for beer?
     
  24. BigIronH

    BigIronH Poo-Bah (1,606) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Hold the bottle up to the light in your kitchen and post a picture. I’ll tell you if it has beer in it or not for $1000.
     
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  25. kp7

    kp7 Initiate (116) Feb 8, 2021 Massachusetts

    How can it feel both empty and full? Either it has the weight of a filled bottle or it doesn't. Just grab another bottle of anything of the same size and compare. Not sure why we need to string this out over multiple days...
     
  26. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,613) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    If you've been a BA member for a decade and have hundreds of trades, why does your profile indicate you joined on July 25th, 2022 and you've only had one trade?
     
  27. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Not that it matters, but I was very active in this forum from my join date in November of 2012 up until my last post in July of 2020. Used Facebook exclusively to do my trading for a while and when I came back recently to log into my BA account, it wouldn’t recognize my password and for some weird reason whenever I chose the password reset prompt, I never was able to receive the reset email. Saw a trade on here last week I wanted to close so I just decided it would be easier to create a new account.

    For what it’s worth, I shipped a Rye BBT first to the person I closed the deal with because I understand the trade game on here with this profile only being active for about a month. Also closed another trade on here where I’m shipping first. My old profile still exists because I was able to find my old posts though.
     
  28. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,613) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Bummer. Hopefully the mods can straighten that out for you so you get your trade history back.
     
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  29. VABA

    VABA Poo-Bah (6,109) Aug 8, 2015 Virginia
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    If it was shipped from the brewery, careless handling can account for some stout in the plastic wrap.

    I have had that happen to me various times when I had ordered directly from breweries.

    Beer was good in all my cases.

    And yes, sometimes it is impossible to tell if there is beer in a bottle, as hard as that may seem.

    Wait, enjoy the special occasion.
     
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  30. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    So you still haven't looked at the bottle with a flashlight?
     
  31. jeevo

    jeevo Aspirant (226) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I have. Usually with a beer, you can flip it or turn it upside down and see a bubble in the liquid when it’s turned on its side. I guess I’ll know when I open it here in the very near future but this along with the stained wet bubble wrap is really strange to me.
     
  32. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    So you're not seeing any evidence of liquid in the bottle. And you are seeing evidence of liquid outside the bottle.

    I know which way I'm guessing on this one
     
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  33. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Meyvn (1,365) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    At least take the wax off and inspect the cap? If you plan to drink it who cares about removing the wax? It then might allow you to see some liquid. If not, maybe just shake the bottle vigorously and see what happens?:wink:
     
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  34. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (9,923) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Back to basics: Just by picking the thing up, one should be able to tell, the weight difference alone is enough. a 12oz can should weigh a minimum of 365 grams. Weigh an empty bottle of the same size on your kitchen scale. Then weigh the bottle in question. Or, weigh an equal bottle that you know is full, and compare that way. This ain't rocket surgery.
     
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  35. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,778) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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  36. micada

    micada Meyvn (1,342) Jul 13, 2015 New York
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    An 8th State Dazed is worth a Rye BBT? Dayum.
     
  37. MattOC

    MattOC Defender (661) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    That wasn’t the trade.
     
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  38. moodenba

    moodenba Defender (603) Feb 2, 2015 New York

    Is there a crown cap under the wax "seal", or a closure like swingtop? I have homebrew bottled using crown caps 40 years ago that still maintains integrity (including excellent CO2 pressure). If a crown cap is leaking, I'd say the bottler did a really sloppy job. Don't shake the sealed bottle since you'd be risking flying glass and lost beer. Also a US fluid ounce of most beer weighs between about 1.1 and 1.2 weight ounce. That's should be over 3/4 lb liquid, enough for a weighing to tell the difference.
     
  39. crazyspicychef

    crazyspicychef Devotee (427) Sep 27, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Open it up & find out
     
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  40. Mgh2001

    Mgh2001 Initiate (49) Dec 3, 2021
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    This is one of the most perplexing threads I’ve ever seen.
     
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