Let's talk about "Lists."

indeed they do. serial abusers exist.

after a while, it's easy to spot.

far more reports are rejected than resolved.

 

That makes sense, thanks for the response.

 

I personally think that will get messy. For example, I posted yesterday looking for a bottle of Double Shot and a single can of Old Man from Treehouse. That is two "wants" but they logically should be grouped together because they are from the same brewery. I didnt want to just trade for one... I wanted to get someone with both of them to minimize shipping and make it worthwhile. I would say limit to a specific brewery but sometimes people want a couple things from a geographic region and want them both to save shipping. If you can only list one but you want more than that it will waste everyone's time in PMs.

However I agree that having a clear rule here is necessary. Right now I get posts deleted and then I look at the forums and tons of people are doing the same thing. "non-specific" applies to high percentage of the trade posts. I think that the more strict you make this the less people will post here though. The way I see it is the more gots you are able to list the better chance there is that someone will see something that they want and message you. It would suck to not be able to list something that the person wants and would get the trade done. I think 6 gots is too low... These people that post 100 bottles are crazy but 6 isnt enough to give someone a good idea of what you have.

 

I dont want auctions either. I hate that... Even when I did post huge lists I never auctioned. I appreciate you guys trying to address this but I dont want it to be so limiting that I am forced to trade somewhere else.

How about limits wants to 2-3 from a "geographic area" which I understand would be difficult to police... But keep it within reason. Someone could be at HF and Tree House so it would be valid to ask for those together. But dont ask for HF and Jester King because that is unlikely. Or you could just say 2-3 wants period... The more logical you make them the better chance you have of getting your trade done. I just dont like the idea of 1 want because I very very rarely trade for a single bottle. It makes the "cost" per bottle of trading way too expensive.

And give people enough bottles to list a good idea of what they have. 6 is too low in my opinion... Maybe 10-12? I think I could give some pretty good examples with ratios with 12 bottles to give people an idea of what I am saying. Since people love to report my posts I have been trying to follow what @F2brewers said and just keep it reasonable.

 

i agree with @Desp59 and @Todd

we need some reasonable expectation for what's ok...but i'm also against a 100% hard limit too.

i've had numerous conversations with traders and think somewhere in that 10-15 is fine...but as we get to 15-20, it's too much.

likewise, listing 5-10 wants combined with 15 fts pushes the boundary too.

people need to be mindful and respectful of the rules.

 

If you go through with this you will definitely need to give some examples. So you are saying you would only allow specific beer names to be posted? I see people post in bulk for IPAs so I will use that example. "NE IPAs" is obviously too broad and that doesnt work. I dont know if there is an issue with "Trillium IPAs" or something like that. If someone hasnt had any and they just want to try something new... But just "Trillium" is too broad because they make sours, stouts and IPAs. And obviously just "IPAs" isnt going to work either. And I think you need to make an exception for locals for locals trades also. That is how a lot of people get into trading and asking for "locals" is pretty general yet specific at the same time.

And I just saw @F2brewers post also. I just dont know you can define reasonable without hard limits. My reasonable is different than your reasonable... And I am not sure the mods even have a consistent idea of what reasonable is. It is pretty confusing for a lot of traders right now. I dont love the idea of hard limits but I dont like my posts getting deleted and I dont know why.

 

Agreed, you guys put in a lot of work - but there are way too many groups of traders. Whale hunters, Locals 4 Locals, People just wanting to try new styles. It's also getting to the point where there are too many rules. Me personally, I've been trading for a few years...I'd rather not trade 1 bottle at a time...I prefer to conduct trades where other people can hit multiple wants of mine. If Joe Smith in Boozman MT doesn't like that, tough cookies. He can move along.

My .02. Seems like it's creating a lot of work for you guys. Appreciate all you've done.