Let's Talk About Schwarzbier

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I feel like I'm @marquis , making the same posts over and over (:wink:), but Xingu isn't a Schwarzbier. It's a black lager (for lack of a better category). I think the mistake that many people make is that they see the category that a beer is listed under on BeerAdvocate, and they think that that beer is that style (as opposed to no more than the best category available). I might be remembering incorrectly, but I seem to think that you were on a "try all BeerAdvocate styles quest." If so, try ticking that style with something else in order to actually tick that style... like the Kostritzer mentioned many times here. Cheers.
     
  2. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Yup, I'm at 101 of 104 styles. When I looked for a Schwarzbier, Xingu was the most easily attainable here. Does the style need to be changed on BA? Of course that would temporarily drop me back one, but wouldn't be the first one that's changed on me. I see there's no black lager to change it to, so not sure what it should be then. I note that many of the beers listed on BA as Schwarzbier have "Black Lager" in the name.
     
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  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I personally wouldn’t change it... I think that people shouldn’t look at classifications here so strictly across the board in this very way. My two cents.
     
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  4. cheeseheadinMinneapolis

    cheeseheadinMinneapolis Pooh-Bah (2,011) Sep 20, 2017 Wisconsin
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    what is a "Euro dark lager " ? Other, doesn't fit anywhere else, Open class
     
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  5. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I'm tracking my quest based on styles listed on BA and how the beers are classified on BA, but will sure try to find a real Schwarzbier at some point. Perhaps BA will rename this style to Schwarzbier/Black Lager when they review the styles as they've indicated they intend to do, but for god's sake we sure don't need any more new styles.
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Says the guy at 101 out of 104. :wink: :slight_smile:
     
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  7. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    This is also why I think Czech Dark Lagers should get their own category, as they have a unique style and heritage from Schwarzbier or generic dark lagers in general. Plus, Czech Pilsner is lonely in the Czech Lager category.:wink:
     
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  8. LifesAnesthesia

    LifesAnesthesia Pooh-Bah (1,602) Dec 17, 2014 Virginia
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    I love me a good schwarzbier - it's a shame they are relatively hard to come by.
     
  9. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Our Fastenbier rides the rails between Franconian Dunkel and Czech dark lager. Quite happy with the way this year's version turned out. At just around 5.0% ABV, drinkability VERY high. Prost!
     
  10. smbslt

    smbslt Pooh-Bah (1,980) Dec 26, 2010 Illinois
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    Remember have a Herold Bohemian years ago and it was pretty amazing. It was like liquid pumpernickel.
     
  11. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Think Beck's or Heineken Dark.
     
  12. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Around here it's St. Pauli Girl Dark.
     
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  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Is this the Bohemian Black Lager? If so, I reviewed it back in 2013 and liked it a lot:

    Overall: Not a Munich Dunkel* by any means, but a smooth beer with roasted character. This is a great textbook of style in the Schwarzbier category -- whether German or Bohemian. Big flavor at 4.9% Spoetzl surprises yet again.

    *I wonder if it was mis-categorized at the time?

    Were you drinking the Shiner on tap? I notice that draft versions of certain beers tend to mellow out from the keg.
     
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  14. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    I don't know if this is getting to far away from the discussion.

    But is there a difference between Franconian Dunkel and Munich Dunkel?

    A local brewery that I always think should have excellent German beers always seems to strike out with me.

    One of there beers is a "Dunkel" so I'm always primed for the rich bready dark fruits that I get out of Munich Dunkels. But there version tastes more like a stout.

    I've always thought if it was called a Schwarzbier I may be in the right frame of mind.
    But are Franconian Dunkels different from Munich Dunkels? Are they more roasty?
     
  15. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    B52 is a small brewery north of Houston. They made an amazing Schwarzbier and at 4% ABV was ridiculously sessionable. I haven't seen it at all lately, as they are now just doing all the trendy styles people line up for. I think they have really cut back on their more traditional offerings. Sad face for me, but I guess they are doing what is making money and generating hype :slight_frown:
     
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  16. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I've never found it in cans and never found it fresh - Might have to look for some cans. Even old, it was a good beer.
     
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  17. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    This is a hard beer style to find period, let alone well crafted examples. However, one well done American example I've had is from Civil Life Brewing in St. Louis.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26824/93221/

    I would love for Dovetail (Chicago) or Great Central Brewing (Chicago) to do one.

    Metropolitan (Chicago) also does a schwarzbier - Magnetron. I had it some time ago and remember it as being an above average American brewed example of the style. But I didn't review it on here so I can reference my notes.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/19127/106298/

    @steveh have you had magnetron?
     
  18. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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    I’m assuming homebrew?
    Schlenkerla Fastenbier is amazing and this is the second Lent in a row I haven’t seen it around my parts. Little off topic, sorry.
     
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  19. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    @herrburgess is Scott Burgess of Bierkeller - Columbia. A place most of us lagerphiles (tm pending @Sixpoint ) dream of visiting and drinking at someday. (at least I do ... )

    http://bierkellercolumbia.com
     
  20. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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    Thanks, I hadn’t realized. Not a lot of ratings, but seems like people are digging it.
     
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