Let's talk about trade winning and threadsh******.

You anticipated this conversation happening, didn't you? And you didn't answer my question...

 

This is all relative...they made ~340bbl of huna (based on 14k bottles) and were moving them by the case at the end of the day to 'sell out'. The Alchemist has a capacity ~9000bbl (not sure if they are producing that much yet). At capacity, they sell ~170bbl/week and sell all of it. Every week, 52 weeks/year.

Effectively, you can't get either without going to the source, so I don't see why anything but $4$ is reasonable here.

Sure, one can be stuck in your 'celler' to age, but by all accounts, both are best consumed fresh.

 

I didn't anticipate anything, actually. And I plead the fifth.

 

And they both can only be purchased in a very finite location.

If they made Hunuphu a 3 month seasonal, would it sell out or sit on shelves @ $20/750ml?
Do you think there is demand for another 8500 barrels of Hunuphu if they could make it? I don't.
HT is consumed at a much faster rate than Hunuphu, which means it is actually in greater demand.

Just because joe-trader sticks 2 cases in their closet because it is all sold on 1 day then calls the beer 'hard-to-get' doesn't mean it actually is. These release days are marketing gimmicks designed to create hype around a product. If they skipped the day and put the product on shelves, it'd move at a far slower rate, the hype wouldn't exist and the product would trade $4$ with other good seasonal products like it should.

 

I also don't care either way...I just think 'trade value' is skewed by whomever is doing the trading.

HT is easy for me to get more or less anytime because I live here.
Hunu was easy to get for a tampa local 1 day a year.
Difference is I buy a 4 pack each week and they buy as many cases as they can desire on 1 day instead of 1 bottle/week.

 

You're only focusing on one of the four points I'm claiming make up perceived value, which is what starts a lot of the value arguments around here. Don't focus on my example, focus on the message. If you take Cost, Bottle Count, Availability, and Reviews into account when trading your beer, you'll always get what you're after.

Remember that, when trading, you are the one who wants the beer. Nobody is required to give you something because you think your offer is fair.

 

So based on my sweet trade forumula taking into account all your info:
(#bbl*rAvg)/($per Oz * avail * #reviews* pdev) = .rar trade value

avail = days avail per year * states avail in * log (area population)

Hunu is 2x more .rar than Heady

really hoping they build my formula into the database so people make sure they are getting what their beer is worht in a trade

 

Don't worry about it man. From your replies, there are going to be lots of things in your lifetime you won't understand.

 

I would value my 2009 BT at $50, or a bit more.

 

Can I change my BA name to "Threadshitter"?

It doesn't seem to be taken.

 

Because your posts are saying that all beers trade for their dollar value, regardless of vintage, which is ******ed.

 

RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER.
RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER.
RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER.
RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER.
RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER. RESPECT BEER.

 

Did Todd give you detention?

 

i'm just respecting beer. broz.

 

As a member of the dreaded untouchable caste of 2012, and a thus a new trader, I don't mind a little constructive criticism in my iso:ft's. In one of my first posts, I offered 4 mixed beers (bb4d, black note, and the like) for a BT. I wasn't trying to fleece anyone, and by my math the $4$ was pretty close. Crickets for a couple hours, then someone responded that I should probably offer 6 of what I had. I took his advice, upped it to 6, which I was happy to do, and got the deal done in 10 minutes. Bottom line I guess is that I was happy someone with no interest in doing the trade stepped in and said something, because it ended up getting my deal done quicker.

 

Perhaps in that case it's blatant, but there's also a lot of posts like:

ISO: Hard-to-get expensive limited release FT: List of less desireable/expensive beers

where the poster isn't at all clear about what number / combination of beers they are really offering. In my opinion, this is just a reverse auction, and if I'm feeling grumpy about that sort of thing at the moment, I may ask the OP to clarify exactly what offer they are making.

Point being: the line between asking people to clarify and "thread shitting" is probably somewhat subjective.

 

"Does BT cost $50?"

Your quote wasn't a direct reference to 2012 BT.

I took a sidebar and was pointing out that some BT vintages trade for more than $4$.

Here is your post from another general thread: "Does CR cost $50?"

Sound familiar?

How much $ value do you put on my Batch 1 CR?

 

I normally don't chime in on this topic. If I post an ISO/FT trade I usually am looking for something specific and offer something that will be more than fair trade bait. I could care less if some one threadshits or not.

I actually endorse some of the threadshitting that goes on since many traders don't do their homework and make laughable offers.

If you think you can run with the big dogs in the trade forum, put on your big boy pants and take what your given and respond appropriately " Thank you, may I please have another"