Local percentage

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  1. teal

    teal Zealot (589) May 3, 2012 Wisconsin

    Last night I went to a little forum put on in my town's library. It had 5 of the 7 or so breweries in our town represented and they discussed the state of craft beer in the area and our state itself.

    Really very informative and I am glad I got to go. Something one of the brewers said sort of resonated with me as I read through the list of posts here. He mentioned that most likely, the last 1500 breweries that were opened in the US were like his. Small, family owned and basically serving a neighborhood or small area via tap room or limited account/distribution. This brewery has been open less than a year and have 18 accounts for their beer and I'd bet not a single one is more than 40 miles from their facility. None of the principles have quit their day jobs - it's basically a second full time job for them.

    Here on BA we talk a lot about beers that many people know - the breweries have either national distribution or are what could be called super-regional or even national reputations via beer press (New Glarus type breweries). Makes sense, hard to have a discussion about beers that 90% of the members have never had if all we talked about were our local tap rooms.

    Got me to wondering - what's your percentage? When you drink, would you say that mostly you drink those beers with the large footprint or are you a very local kind of person who only occasionally goes to the larger market. The thread on SN's dropping (or not) of Porter and Stout pushed me to post this. I don't think I've ever wanted, desired or even noticed SN's offerings in those styles and I don't know that I've missed anything because I'd say that I'm EASILY a 80-90% drinker of beer that's made within 30 miles of my home.

    So where are you on the scales?
     
  2. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    85+ depending on how you define local. I count MA and NH as I live in one and work in the other so it is in my daily route.
     
  3. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I drink what I like irrespective of where it's made.
     
  4. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Probably 60-70% local
     
  5. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    Probably 25-50% local depending on the time of year. There aren't a ton of great stouts/barleywines brewed in my area, so I'm drinking a lot of Bells/Founders/Lagunitas, etc right now. But in the warmer months, there are plenty of great, local pilsners and IPAs to stock my fridge with.
     
  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Over the course of the year it's probably -
    1/3 local+plus
    1/3 regional/national
    1/3 import

    Naturally, during something like Oktoberfest season the ratio swings heavily import, but at other times it swings the other way.
     
  7. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I suppose it depends on the region, but there is always a pretty lively discussion about local Minnesota breweries in the Midwest forum.
     
  8. FonyBones

    FonyBones Devotee (380) Dec 19, 2015 New York

    About 50% of what I drink comes from breweries within a ~one hour drive from my apartment. Percentage would be even higher if I didn’t live in an area that gets a lot of great non-local beer distributed to it.
     
  9. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    A good number of the newer “locals” do not can or bottle— only crowler/growler. Other than having it there or at a bar, it really limits for me at home.

    My fridge today: Celebration, Westbrook One Claw, Urquell, KBS, Black Note, Lunch (gift). One Mectoberfest- a little old. There are some great locals now that simply don’t can/bottle- yet.
     
  10. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I always have a pilsner. I like it and you know that line from the movies " We have both kinds here country and western" ? I feel the same way about my pilsner. I like both kinds the Bohemian and the German . As far as whose pils I like the best it is no secret I prefer the imports. I won't chase whales so I will buy anything as long as it is not too expensive and I think I might like it. When I go through the bottles it is to check dates and abv. The other day I saw a pils named killapils. 7.5%. I bet it is.
     
  11. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I drink items I really enjoy regardless of local or out of state. When my my local guys make items I really like I stock up, I also stop in their places for lunch when I get time. Overall I cannot give a % because it fluctuates a lot depending on what is out at the time etc.
     
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  12. PittBeerGirl

    PittBeerGirl Pooh-Bah (2,423) Feb 27, 2007 Ohio
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    30 of my 50 most recent ticks are from PA or OH. So I guess it depends on your definition of local. We are looking at 50-75% regional for sure though with new beers.

    There are 2 brewpubs in the town closest to me...one is decent and the other is meh. I haven't found a brewery in the Youngstown or Warren area that I drink from regularly but Palladin offers some hope. There are a lot of good breweries in the Akron, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland area though.

    I am sure if I still lived in Pittsburgh my percentage would be a lot better.

    There was a recent thread about your go to beer...when including beers that we frequently buy it's probably closer to 90-95% regional.

    The percentage of true local within 20 min of my house is dismal.
     
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  13. bsullivan

    bsullivan Devotee (385) Aug 17, 2017 Connecticut

    My 'local' is quite large, I work/live in CT during the week, family is in RI, and girlfriend in Boston, so I'm in Boston every weekend (I spend a lot of time driving). I would say 80% of the beer I drink is from CT, RI, or MA.
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Since I basically only drink commercial beer when I'm out, I'd say it's probably about fidy-fidy. Like @Squire123 said, though, I drink what I like and/or what are the best beers on the menu, regardless of where they are made.
     
  15. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    In the last month it's been about 95% local. On average the last three years or so probably close to 65% local.
     
  16. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    Within a 50 mile radius, I would say less than 1%. I may buy a single of a special/seasonal release but that’s about it
     
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  17. devilmakesthree

    devilmakesthree Pundit (889) Nov 27, 2013 Oregon
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    I'd say 90%-95% of the beer I drink is made within the state of Oregon, and 90%-95% of that is made within the city of Portland, OR itself. Pretty easy to do here, as we have breweries in town doing excellent examples of nearly every style of beer, and excellent breweries all over the state doing the same thing. Furthermore, I get about 70% of the beer I drink directly from the breweries themselves, be it pints, growlers/crowlers, bottles/cans to go, or (increasingly as of late) kegs for my kegerator.
     
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  18. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I don't have what I would consider a top notch "neighborhood" brewery and that's probably a good thing... There are a couple within a 20 minute drive that are pretty good or at least don't suck - I don't do the rabid local for the sake of local thing at all. So what I consider local is within an hour to 90 minutes or so of home base which picks up places like Jack's Abby/Springdale, Exhibit A, Trillium, Castle Island, Mystic, Night Shift, Harpoon, CBC, all of RI, some of NH and ME. But I have great bottle shops within 15 minutes where I can most of those plus, so why bother?

    If I look at my stock, and consider local to be New England and what I can get at the good local shops that comes from the six state region, then I'm around 75%. If I cut Allagash from "local" consideration (over 90 minutes away), then I'm probably 50%. My imports (overseas) are limited to a couple I can get where I don't worry about freshness too much - St. Bernardus (esp. Christmas Ale) and Gouden Carolus van de Kaiser Blau, both of which I think are outstanding values for the dollar in the stores (often on sale) I haunt. Founders makes up a good portion of the remainder, Sierra Nevada and Stone another chunk, and the rest is a random scattershot.

    ...Opinion Alert... I think the concept of the neighborhood brewery (ie, no or very limited distribution) is fantastic. But unless you are a "mecca" like Hill Farmstead, I think to truly succeed a local might need to take it to the next level and offer a great setting and food in addition to being absolutely on top of their beer game. It obviously can work if it is just beer (even if it is mediocre beer), but I'm not sure that is sustainable over the long haul with some rare exceptions. I think there is a "tipping point" where beer sales alone (without distribution or another "draw") won't feed the bulldog, especially if the beer is average. Yes - there are examples that contradict that, but there's a difference between maintaining an existence and succeeding in my opinion.

    I'd love having a great brewery I could walk to, but with a town population of like 2400 spread out in a largely rural area it ain't gonna happen. Nobody (in their right mind, anyway) comes TO my hometown for enjoyment - there's nothing for anybody to do, day or night. We're not a farm community any more, but we're pretty much a sleeper community for the cities within reach (and it's a stretch for Boston, but people do it). Could a brewery succeed? Dubious, but maybe it could. It seems in my town it's almost "anti-local" because we are pretty conditioned to go elsewhere even though there's more available in town than when I was a kid. You couldn't even get a cup of coffee in town when I was but a lad, but then again nobody bought coffee in styrofoam cups in those days :rolling_eyes: I think population density is another requirement in the equation.
     
  19. BergBeer

    BergBeer Maven (1,417) Aug 21, 2013 California

    I'm pretty curious about this so I went through my last 100 distinct beers I logged on a different beer site and here were my findings:

    Local (within 30 miles): 6%
    Regional (I just said New England): 41%
    USA: 94%
    International: 6%

    I had 17 states represented:

    Massachusetts - 20
    California - 13
    Connecticut - 7
    Ohio - 7
    Rhode Island - 6
    New York - 5
    Maine - 4
    Michigan - 4
    Delaware - 4
    Vermont - 3
    Colorado - 2
    Hawaii - 2
    Oklahoma - 2
    Kentucky - 1
    Missouri - 1
    Indiana - 1
    New Hampshire -1

    I had 4 countries represented:

    USA - 94
    Belgium - 4
    Denmark -1
    Germany - 1

    The shortest distance to where the beer is brewed was 6 miles.

    The furthest is 5017 miles

    Also, I drank my fair share of 60 minute this summer

    My highest rated was in my "region" - Allagash Resurgam at a 5/5

    My lowest was from Belgium - Timmermans Oude Gueuze at 2.75/5

    Funny that they were both Gueuzes

    My last comment is that some of these were "local" as I was in the state when I had them. This includes Hawaii, Maine, Ohio, and Massachusetts. I don't know how you quantify that but just an interesting note.
     
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  20. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    75% local, say within 50 miles or so. Always fresh and new stuff on the shelves. Winning.
     
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