Locals vs. Hype - Locals Lose

In my opinion there should be a locals/shelf beer trade section. You aren't allowed to bump threads, but with so many ISO:FT threads popping up it is extremely easy to have your common beer trade thread overlooked.

 

For the most part all of my trades have been Locals 4 Locals. I have had pretty good luck. and yes it gets annoying with post flying by me at the speed of sound in that forum

 

Try doing something like this with your thread titles:

FT: Locals + Blabaer cork! NOT King Henry, Dark Lord

 

Do locals really get washed away without getting done? I feel like locals4locals always seem to close up the fastest.

 

After you've traded with some one and they realize you are reliable, generous, easy to deal with, etc, and the feeling is reciprocal, you just send them a message regarding their locals.

People with lots of trades don't NEED to post an ISO for locals because they have contacts in place-- for example; if I were jonesing for some Surly I can call up Biglobo and boom, I get some surly.

I would guess that the number of trades that occur without an ISO is about the same as the number that get done with one.

 

The only reason I'm potentially against this is that some people's definition of shelf beer can vary immensely. I've seen people call KH, KBS, etc shelf beer because they didn't have to go to a release to get it (though these beers almost never last a whole day on shelves the one (and maybe only) time they're released.

Does something expensive and slightly rare like Parabola or Abyss or Juliet count as shelf beer? These may sit for a week or three, one time a year, but everyone wants them...

Not that the Bros couldn't simply move or kill all of the wrongly placed trade threads, but that's a lot of work and annoyance I do not see them tolerating. Because we all know that some ass will start a whale listing in there to try and get additional traffic.

Edit quoted when i just wanted to reply.*

 

And perpetuate the fact that just because a brewery puts out various mediocre beers, has numerous quality control issues, but also occasionally does a 200 bottle release of something that is actually pretty tasty, it somehow needs to be held to a higher standard than the countless amazing beers sitting on the shelves right now?

I think Locals-for-Locals trades get sealed up pretty quick. If you're an experienced trader and some new guy puts up an ISO, then you make them ship first, and help them get into trading.... if you're a new guy, and put up an ISO, an established trader is usually ready to help you out.... if you're an established trader looking for locals, you probably have a rolodex full of people you can reach out to and never have to post anything.

 

OP, you're in NY.
Put up a FT: Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout ISO: whatever locals you want

I guarantee it gets done within an hour.

 

It isn't luck-- it's treating a trading partner like you would a friend. You must have been doing something right!

My personal motto is;
Trade in such a way that people would want to trade with you again.
I would bet that all but one of the people I've traded with before would happily trade with me again. (the one dissenting opinion would be due to a huge failure in communication on both our parts).

 

This really doesn't have anything to do with taste, it's about desirability of hyped beer. I am not denying most of the hyped beer could be trumped by something you could find down at your corner bottle shot. Most of the vets say n00bs should do a local for local trade to get their feet wet, so having a second for them to check out where every other post is about KH or CBS would seem beneficial.

Now if they really do get done quickly and the OP's issue is an exception, then so be it.

 

I was trying to dress-up a rather simple concept, and perhaps I got too wordy.... my point was:

"If you create a separate sub-forum for 'local' beers, you're just adding into the hype of the other ones"

 

Yeah - I definitely have to agree with Jparkanzky here. Separating out "locals" is just throwing wood on the fire of an ever-increasing issue in the trade community. Also to echo others, I don't even know how you define "local" vs "not". Once upon a time (way back in 2011!), beers like KBS and BCBS were widely considered to be "locals", and traded for simple locals in other areas of the country. Now, many people seem to be treating beers like that as if they are liquid gold, despite the fact that there are 100,000+ bottles made every year.

OP - I'm actually surprised you can't get locals trades done. Anyone in a area with solid distro can usually get those going no problem.

 

That's what I was starting to think. If you want something specific then you need to have something specific another person wants usually. If you try something more broad the trade ought to get done easily.

 

If only I lived in Kentucky with whales sit on shelves collecting dust.

 

this also invites a never-ending argument about what IS or ISN'T local to people and what qualifies as a beer that fits within this category.

for examples see any thread over the past 2 years that says either "whale" or "shelf beer."

 

OP, have you tried trading locals for locals, or are you just guessing that it's difficult by looking at the topics in the ISO forum?

if the latter, why are you suggesting solutions for something you don't even know is a problem?

 

or in the case of king henry, cbs, bcbvs, rare, and bcbcs: both

 

I have personally had mixed results with locals:locals trading. However, some of my best trading partners are results of these trades. That and extending a helping hand to new traders.