London Dry Yeast

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  1. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, I've brewed this Smoked Chile Porter ~ a dozen times so I should be able to pick out some "odd flavors" (before I dryhop with the chiles :slight_smile:)
     
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  2. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I kegged my Pale Ales on Saturday.

    O.G. 1.060
    ESB F.G. 1.015
    S04 F.G. 1.010

    The ESB yeast was very fruity tasting. Because I kegged this one first I thought it was from the Citra and Mosiac hops I used. After tasting the S04 batch I realised how fruity this yeast is. Also the beer was not as clear as the S04 and the yeast on the bottom was not as firm. I dumped a Brown Ale on both cakes so we will see how this goes. Take care.
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, fruitiest smelling yeast I think I have ever brewed with. I just stood in the walk-in closet and inhaled deeply while it was fermenting...also quick take-off @ 63*F ambient. I'm hoping for something resembling a Tropical Stout even though the OG is not high enough.

    Cheers
     
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  4. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I kegged my brown ale this weekend that was fermented on the yeast cakes of ESB and S-04.

    O.G. 1.054
    F.G. ESB 1.010
    F.G. S-04 1.012

    Strange that the second generation seams to attenuate better then the first. The ESB was still very cloudy while theS-04 was clear. I have not tasted the carbed up samples of either batch yet so I will wait to pass judgment on this strain. Take care.
     
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  5. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I tapped my keg of Pale Ale with the ESB yeast. Very Tasty brew. The beer is still quite hazy not sure if this will ever clear up. We will see what happens with this in a week or two. The flavor is very fruity. I had a friend over that is a master judge ( Not that it matters! ) and he had a hard time buying that the yeast was throwing that much fruit. Jury still out on this yeast. Take care.
     
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  6. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Hey guys, finally I ´ve changed my mind brewing a ESB beer instead a Red IPA. I want to share what´s been happening with this brew. It ´s the beginning of the autum here and still very hot weather, so while I ´ve been struggling in regards fermentation temp. to try to keep it within reccomended range I think I failed. I can tell you the whole time was fermenting at 75 F, I know it is more than reccomended but not a crazy temp. The point is it took just 24 hs to ferment the bulk of wort(I guess 90% aprox) in a hectic way ,after that there was very little airlock activity and yeast has flocculated very soon.It is still bubbling 2 - 3 times by minute though. I am planning on taking a FG read today(8 days later) and taste it to see what I got. I am specting some acetaldehyde and fusel traces, I know I will need to age this beer longer for conditioning but who knows maybe I have a good beer.I will report back how this beer has turned out.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Well I have bad news, beer has not traces of fusels nor acetaldehyde, it has a harsh touch on taste, a bit weird , not pleasant, no fruity flavor just a subtle roasty hint in the middle of a jumble of ????.No diacetyl. It has a high FG 1023 from OG 1055 and yeast has settled down enormously , beer looks very clean.Result : fermentation stuck. I think culprit here was the high temp. of the fermentation day one .I am planning on reintroduce collected top cropped yeast from day one to see if it restarts to ferment to end the job, what do you think?
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So, you think you suffered a stuck fermentation due to warm/hot fermentation temperatures (e.g., mid-70's F)?

    I have never heard/read anything to suggest that a warm temperature would lead to a stuck fermentation. Based upon my readings I would expect the opposite to be the case. Brewers yeast actually prefers to propagate (grow) at warmer temperatures but we brewers prefer to manage the fermentation temperatures to be cooler since our primary objective during primary fermentation is to produce tasty beer vs. growing yeast.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I don`t know what to think , my first thought was to blame the temperature, I have checked all items in my mind and found nothing out of the road. Rehydration correct, pitching rate correct, no need for aeration, date of yeast good, nothing. It is the fist time I ferment so high , i don`t know this yeast either, have nothing to compare from the past.I think yeast was healthy enough otherwise the first day of fermentation woudn`t have been so strong.BTW mash temp. was 149 F
    I am a bit bewildered
     
  10. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I have heard of this yeast attenuating as low as 60%, so I'd blame the yeast for the low attenuation, nothing else.
     
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  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Sounds like a good yeast to use with invert sugar.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @premierpro reported his results using the ESB yeast in this thread:

    Pale Ale (sachet):

    OG = 1.060
    FG = 1.015
    AA = 74%

    Brown Ale (yeast cake):

    OG = 1.054
    FG = 1.010
    AA = 81%

    Cheers!
     
  13. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Last night I have repitched it with the top cropped yeast from day one fermentation, it was a thick slurry of about 50 ml ,hoping today morning would there be good fermentation activity but nothing has changed.Nevertheless it is still bubbling 1-2 times per minute so I decided to leave it alone without disturbing at room temp for a long period.
     
  14. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Yeah, I saw that. Lucky dog. Others haven't been as lucky. Eventually I'll try this yeast myself, but not this year. For me, this is the year of the everything BUT English ales, as I just made a bunch of those the last couple years.
     
  15. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    1-2 bubbles / minute doesn't necessarily mean yeast are active. It most likely means CO2 is coming out of your beer. I doubt that it is a stuck fermentation due to 75 degree fermentation. That Danstar ESB is a monster and should be up for the challenge. Are you sure you didn't de-nature your enzymes with a hot mash? I suggest taking another gravity reading in 1-2 more days to see if there is a change. If you did de-nature your enzymes with a a hot mash, you could add amylayse enzyme. I saved my a stout with that stuff. The FG was not as low as I would have liked, but it ended up a decent beer.
     
  16. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I don´t think so but I must tell you that you are right , mash temp has gone very high (158 F) but it took 2-3 minutes to me to get it down to 149 F using ice cubes.I don´t know how hard can this short time denature beta-amylase, I can not find information in regards this matter.
     
  17. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I keep a pitcher of cold water by me when I mash in. Much easier to hit my preferred temp range. Take care.
     
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  18. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    O.K. My pale ale has been on draft for a month and still not clear. So I think its safe to say if you use this yeast do not think you will get clear beer. Good tasting beer, yes. Might be a Good choice for a NEIPA with the second generation. Take care.
     
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  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Did you use finings?
     
  20. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Yes. I use Irish Moss @ 15min. This was a split batch and the S04 was clear coming out of the fermenter. Take care.
     
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