Long Trail Limbo IPA clone

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  1. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Anyone working on a Long Trail Limbo IPA clone yet?

    I literally cannot stop drinking this beer....I think it is the mosaic hops that I am falling in love with.
     
    #1 JoeSpartaNJ, Jan 13, 2014
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  2. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    Finally had a couple during the Pats game. You can definitely taste those New Zealand hops, very fruity. It reminded me of Kiwi Rising, very clean finish. Not sure if Long Trail would switch up their yeast for just this beer but maybe they fermented cooler or cold conditioned longer. Light malt, light body, very smooth bitterness. There is a touch of sweetness but this could be just perceived from the fruity hops.

    A good start might be to use the Beer Advocate Averagely Perfect IPA and use a plethora of New Zealand hops late.
     
    #2 BumpkinBrewer, Jan 13, 2014
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  3. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    Great IPA ! From their website specs, you can guestimate the grain bill. They list Bravo, Chinook, Galaxy, and Mosaic for hops so my guess is Bravo for bittering and then a gonzo, new age late-hop addition of the others along with substantial dry-hop.
     
    #3 Pegli, Jan 13, 2014
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  4. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Yeah, not wrrying about the grain bill so much, it was the scheduling of the hops that I really want to figure out. I have never used Galaxy or Mosaic before. I was thinking Bravo bittering, Chinook around 10 minutes, and then equal parts Galaxy and Mosaic for later hops and DH.

    I guess not really trying to clone, but to get something similar and maybe max 6.5% ABV.
     
    #4 JoeSpartaNJ, Jan 13, 2014
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  5. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    I also thought the hop profile was extremly close to Kiwi/ Mass Rising(I actually though it was closer to Mass Rising and actually thought Mass Rising was the better beer this year).
     
    #5 ChrisMyhre, Jan 13, 2014
  6. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Mosaic hops are turning out to be a little hard to find local without spending a small fortune to order and have them shipped in. Since Mosaic is a cross between Simcoe and Nugget, could I mix the two to genrate the same of similar flavor/effect?
     
    #6 JoeSpartaNJ, Jan 15, 2014
  7. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah

    http://www.love2brew.com/Mosaic-Hop-Pellets-p/hp058.htm
    A little bit of a drive for you (if you are from Sparta) but its really not too bad. Also shouldnt be too terrible with shipping if you choose USPS priority mail.

    Edit: Mosaic has flavors that I do not get from Simcoe or Nugget, so my instincts tell me that mixing them will not get you Mosaic. Judging by the flavor differences, I dont think it would even get you close.
     
    #7 OddNotion, Jan 15, 2014
  8. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    [Edit: Mosaic has flavors that I do not get from Simcoe or Nugget, so my instincts tell me that mixing them will not get you Mosaic. Judging by the flavor differences, I dont think it would even get you close.[/quote]

    Mosaic is the child of Simcoe and Nugget. It was worth a shot trying to combine them.
     
    #8 JoeSpartaNJ, Jan 15, 2014
  9. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    If you already did it keep us updated on how it turns out. It sounds like a tasty combo as it is.

    But looking at other hops' pedigrees, it seems that the product is different than the sum of its parts. Take a look at Citra for example. Would you recommend a combo of Hallertau Mittelfrüh, US Tettnang, Brewer's Gold and East Kent Golding to replace Citra if it was unavailable?
    http://www.hopunion.com/citra-brand-ycr-394-cv/
     
    #9 OddNotion, Jan 15, 2014
  10. Sean802

    Sean802 Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2013 Vermont

    farmhousebrewingsupply.com has pretty good prices on pounds. Mosaic, citra, amarillo, galaxy, simcoe, nelson, etc.
     
    #10 Sean802, Jan 19, 2014
  11. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Well as it turns out, my LHBS got Mosaic and Galaxy in stock @ $3.00/oz. Good deal.

    I brewed this up yesterday.

    Mashed @ 150 for 90 minutes

    7.5 lbs American 2-Row
    7.5 lbs Marris Otter
    .5 lbs Crystal 40

    .5 oz Columbus - 60 Min
    1 oz Mosaic - 10 Min
    1 oz Mosaic - 5 Min
    1 oz Galaxy - 5 Min
    1 oz Mosaic - 2 Min
    1 oz Galaxy - 2 Min

    1 packet US-05 yeast.

    Measured OG: 1.069
    Calculated IBU's: 56 (a little low but I wanted smooth)

    I am going to dry hop with 1 oz each of Galaxy and Mosaic.

    Smelled awesome and and initial wort sampling is promising.
     
    #11 JoeSpartaNJ, Jan 19, 2014
  12. Arenbeer

    Arenbeer Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2009 Connecticut

    Any word on this?!?! JOESPARTANJ? how was it???
     
    #12 Arenbeer, Mar 6, 2014
  13. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Yes. It came out fantastic. One of the best, if not the best beers I have ever made. It came out at 7.5% abv but drinks like 5%. Very dangerous.

    I am going to brew this again in April and change the following:

    1. Mash lower, probably 147 or 148. Came out a little sweet but that may be a due to the mosaic and galaxy combo or the lower IBU's not matching the hoppiness. Maybe drop the C-40 to 1/4 lb.

    2. I am going to change the bittering hop to Warrior or Nugget and also increase the IBU's to help balance it a little more.

    3. I want to try brewing this with Safale 04. I think it may help dry it out a bit more and to test brewing an IPA with this yeast before I try to brew the Stone Enjoy By clone I have been eyeing up.

    Here's a pic
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    #13 JoeSpartaNJ, Mar 6, 2014
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  14. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    What did you attenuation numbers look like ?
    That'll tell you whether to fiddle with the recipe/yeast or with your bittering addition to gain your more perfect balance.
     
    #14 Pegli, Mar 7, 2014
  15. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Per Beersmith:
    Apparent Attenuation: 81.6%
    Real Attenuation: 67%
     
    #15 JoeSpartaNJ, Mar 8, 2014
  16. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    Couldn't ask for much more than that...I'd pursue modification route #2.
    Sounds tasty nonetheless - Cheers!
     
    #16 Pegli, Mar 8, 2014
  17. Rayguncereal

    Rayguncereal Initiate (0) Mar 26, 2014 Massachusetts

    Is that recipe for 5 or 1 gallon?
     
    #17 Rayguncereal, Mar 26, 2014
  18. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    That was a 5.5 gallon recipe
     
    #18 JoeSpartaNJ, Mar 27, 2014
  19. Stealth862

    Stealth862 Devotee (340) Jun 4, 2015 Massachusetts

    Limbo is my favorite IPA and I'm a lover of Heady Topper, Lunch and Be Hoppy.
     
    #19 Stealth862, Jun 5, 2015
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