Looking for a “creamier” mouthfeel

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  1. HelloMyNameIsHuman

    HelloMyNameIsHuman Aspirant (257) Mar 6, 2017 New Hampshire

    I brew exclusively NEIPA’s and I’m very satisfied with how they turn out. The one minor thing I would like to try tweaking is getting that creamy/pillowy mouthfeel, without adding something like lactose. I only use untreated spring water and I know that could be part of the issue and my grain bill consists of ....
    78% 2 row
    12% Flaked Oats
    5% Carapils
    5% Dextrose - late in the Boil
    I use Wyeast 1318
    Like I said overall I love the results I get , just trying to take it over the top
     
  2. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    "creamy/pillowy mouthfeel" can mean different things to different people so it is not a perfect science. I think you want more body, as opposed to a what may be perceived as a thinner style, like Pils for example.

    Some general guidelines may help. I do not brew NEIPA's because it is not 100 years old and I am suspicious of brewing trends that are less than 100 years old. Fad.
    Others with NEIPA experience will, and should, provide advice as well.

    • No mention of your mash temp, but increase your mash temp.
    • Oats can produce an oily richness that is desirable in stouts perhaps but maybe less so in an IPA.
    • Dextrose will increase fermentable and little else. Unless you have some reason for the addition it's probably is not required. Less % malt beer = less all malt beer.
    • Use high quality 2 Row. Most all homebrewing base malt is in fact high quality but change it up until you find one you like. European malt, floor malted, is more expensive and naturally better. Or not, but you should try some different brands to see what works best.
    • 5 to 10% wheat will produce some impressive foam if you are doing everything else right. That there is your "pillowy" head. Maybe not what you were looking for but a little wheat can do wonders and I like it it in IPAs as well.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    RYE.

    The end.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Are you talking Flaked Rye here?

    Cheers!
     
  6. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I like flaked maize instead of dextrose. IMO - no facts, yeast and hop choice make a big difference in the mouthfeel for me. I noticed a big difference when I switched to Imperial Yeast “Juice”. But I’m by no means a source of factual information. I only speak of the few brews I’ve done. Oh ya Golden Promise malt as the base malt made a big difference in a “chewier” beer this go around.
     
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  7. HelloMyNameIsHuman

    HelloMyNameIsHuman Aspirant (257) Mar 6, 2017 New Hampshire

    Thank you for all your responses , definitely some good info
     
  8. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Doesn't matter. Flaked and malted both work great. I use malted.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just trying to clarify to help the OP.

    Cheers!
     
  10. Merlyn

    Merlyn Aspirant (261) Jan 17, 2021 Michigan

    What kind of salts are you doing and what's your sulfate:chloride ratio?
     
  11. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Usually go like 30% oats and wheat with a soft water profile that is higher in chloride to sulfate with London 3 yeast.

    personally only add dextrose in a WC ipa or maybe double NE IPA. I find it reduces the body and if I am going for a creamy pillow mouthfeel I don’t want to thin the body out.
     
    #11 GetMeAnIPA, May 10, 2021
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  12. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I get the creamy taste from cranking up the co2 to create a nice head.
     
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