Looking for a winter style recipe

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  1. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I could comb the recipes threads for hours, finding a lot of different good ideas, and do google searches all day too. But figured I would ask. Looking for something like what would typically be called a "winter/holiday/Christmas" beer. Something along the lines of Shipyard Prelude, a beer I buy many cases of so I can have it until summer or so. Dark and malty, a little on the sweet side, with a decant finish on it.

    Found a bitter and esters "A Winter Ale" online that looks like it might be good, but it calls for nutmeg and cinnamon, which I have never put in a brew before, so am nervous about when to add them. Also a couple recipes that look like what I am going for suggest transferring to a secondary, again something I have not done before.

    And suggestions or tips for these types?
     
  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    A Dark Mild would be where my head's at. You want an English yeast that's sluggish and doesn't want to drop the FG too low. Keep it thick and chewy. Add some seasonal spice at the last 5 min of the boil. 1/2 as much as you think you'll need. Then add more a week before finishing primary.
    I'd skip secondary. If you think there's a reason to do one then you could. The spices shouldn't need too long in your beer though.
     
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  3. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    There are not a lot of Christmas/Holiday ales out there that don't have spice added.

    I agree with @inchrisin - 5 minutes is plenty of boil time to impart flavors without overpowering the beer. For cinnamon you can just put sticks in. For nutmeg, I'd grate it over the pot. I'm not sure I'd want to add any ground spice mid-fermenting because unless you stir in, it'll probably just sit on top of the wort. Another thought is to add it to the priming sugar solution.

    If you do go the spice route, spend a couple extra dollars and get better spices than you'd find in the grocery store. It'll come in handy for the holidays anyway.
     
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  4. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Thanks for the tips. Good to see that my concern with the spices was good to ask. Something just seemed off about the lack of info on adding them in some of the recipes I found.

    inchrisin, Dark Mild sound right up my ally. Would of never thought to try a different yeast.

    crcostel, I agree on the buying better quality stuff. I have used maple syrup in a recipe before and made the trip to the farmers market to get some fresh stuff there. Paid a little more for it, but was worth it in flavor.
     
  5. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    A lot of supermarket pre-ground "cinnamon" has a lot fillers that you wouldn't want to drink (or eat). I use a local outfit www.thespicehouse.com for my cooking.

    You can certainly make an English Mild - or if you wanted a little stronger an English Brown. As far as yeast is a concerned, I just used Mangrove M15 which is a very low attenuating English yeast and would give you a full sweet beer.WY1099 is recommended for Southern English Browns, and WY1728 for Holiday Beers might also work.
     
  6. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I order a lot of whole spices from Amazon. Most of my spice orders from Amazon have been through www.spicyworldofusa.com I have yet to be disapointed by them. Though I usually get whole, not pre-ground spices for the same reason mentioned above, and the flavor intensity seems to wean overtime with pre-ground spices.
     
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  7. RLFRosa

    RLFRosa Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2016 Portugal

    Hello Granitebeard;

    In my personal opinion I would definitely consider a "Winter Ale" a darker beer with a good body and a high ABV (always above 6%) with flavors ending in sweet yet toasty notes; so I guess you can say we are in the same page. There is obviously numerous ways to achieve this results by I will focus on your key question, the spices.

    From my experience, working with cinnamon depends hugely on the quality of the ingredient itself, but if you are sure that it has a good quality, do not be afraid to just add it in secondary fermentation (sometimes I have even add it in a primary fermentation) and never had any kind of infection or fermentation problem, but I also agree that you should only take the risks that you feel comfortable with during your process.

    Usually for nutmeg I just add it to the end of the boil, 20 -10 min depending on the profile I'm trying to achieve.

    My advice is that you should also consider adding Vanilla Beans as it has a wonderful connection to winter drinks and really helps the sweet profile of the beer to stand out. I usually just add it to the secondary fermentation without any issue.

    Remember, as long as you keep the entire process clean and use good quality ingredients you should have no troubles.

    Good luck and Happy Brewing!!
     
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  8. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I suggest a Festivus Ale. It's like a winter warmer but there are feats of strength, a silver pole involved, airing of grievances, and spices are optional.
     
  9. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Thanks for the advice!! I think I have enough suggestions to make what I am looking for. There are plenty of things I can do Probably with do "A Winter Ale" to start but I foresee a Dark Mild/brown in my future!!
     
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  10. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    British winter warmers tend to be brown bitters with added spices, from about 4% to 5.5%

    I'd do something like

    OG 1.055
    IBU not very bitter so about 30 -traditional english and/or noble hops

    MO base
    5 to 10% med/dark crystal
    5 to 10% dark invert
    a bit of torrified wheat for head/mouthfeel
    yeast your choice

    Then whatever spices you desire, cinnamon,mixed spice, ginger etc
     
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  11. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    You have just inspired my next brew name.
     
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  12. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Excuse the noobish-ness of this, but how do you use % for brewing?? I have seen this some and thought it odd so typically avoided them. I am not an all grain brewer, and have only ever barely considered doing anything all grain as the process is different aand would have no idea where to start with it.
     
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  13. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    I view it as percentage of the grain bill as a total. This way you can use the ratio's of ingredients to get the amount of beer you want. AKA no converting weird math from a 5 gallon recipie if you are doing a 12 gallon brew day.

    This commonly is used with a brewing software. Like BeerSmith, etc.

    It's totally an AG thing... BUT you could totally apply it to extract too.

    Something similar happens with Hops. Using the IBU amounts per addition, or per bittering/dry hopping. (to accommodate variance in AA and other parameters from harvest to harvest, company to company)

    This of course just how I have come to understand this organically. Never was "taught" it or read it somewhere.
     
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  14. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    You can use percentages in extract brewing. However for steeping grains its not just a weight percentage. If you are using 7lb of DME and 1lb of C60 grain, your grain isn't 1/8th of the fermentables. The actual conversion rate is much lower for steeping.
     
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