Looking for cellar feedback

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by lateralusbeer, Jan 20, 2015.

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  1. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    So, I'm looking for some feedback from folks on what I'm cellaring: What you've had that was great, what didn't age well, what the aging sweet spot was for some of these beers. Would love to hear about your experiences. This is the list:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rs-jY_hXRjXFcmjADpogViKcavxXSZyl7BRa8XF_s3U/edit?usp=sharing

    I'm aging most in a garage fridge set on the lowest temperature setting (1-9, 9 being the coldest, I have on 1). I've found this gets the recesses of the shelves to around 40 and the door to around 46, so my door is lined with cellarables and fresh, drink now beer goes on the shelves. While not optimal, I'm hopeful that 46 is close enough not to significantly ****** aging.'

    I have my sours in a kitchen cabinet, that gets to around 70. Is that too warm, am I risking damage here?

    Thanks.
     
  2. thecommish101831

    thecommish101831 Crusader (420) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey

    Sours aren't going to improve with age, 70 degrees is on the warm side of storing beer.
     
  3. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    Definitely on the warm side, that's my concern; the possibility that the yeast is fragile enough for the temps to do real damage.

    Are you sure about sours not improving with age? That goes against a lot of things I've read here.
     
  4. thecommish101831

    thecommish101831 Crusader (420) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey

    Aging on depends on what you want them to do.

    Sours are meant to be drank now. If you're new to sours and want them to mellow out, by all means sit on them.

    They don't improve over time, so if you're into sours, drink now. If you're talking a wild with 100% Brett, and you're looking for more funk, sit on it.

    Warm temperatures speed up the end result, but it all depends what you're looking for.
     
  5. allforbetterbeer

    allforbetterbeer Savant (1,236) Sep 26, 2009 Colorado

    I think that the term "sour" is bit broad to make a statement like this. True, most American brewed beers that are sour will be best within 6 months, and many brett inoculated European beers are best within a year. If the classic old world style Belgian Lambics are included in the "sours" list, some of these can change in very positive ways over the long term (some getting arguably better even after 10-15+ years), but most are very good the day they are released as well.
     
  6. allforbetterbeer

    allforbetterbeer Savant (1,236) Sep 26, 2009 Colorado

    The only beer in your cellar that I have personally tried at multiple points is Bigfoot, and I think I like it at 4-5 years best, but I have not gone older than 6 years. I also have one last 2009 and I may leave it till it is ten years old just for fun. Patrick Dawson's book "Vintage Beer" details a 10 year vertical of Bigfoot and him (with his panel of tasters) say that it peaks at 5 years and goes slowly downhill from there (but never gets bad, just sort of bland and faint).
     
  7. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    I'm curious, what about a beer like La Folie? I had a 2007 in 2010 and loved it, but I didn't do a side by side to determine if it was specifically more or less sour.
     
  8. allforbetterbeer

    allforbetterbeer Savant (1,236) Sep 26, 2009 Colorado

    I have not personally had that one aged, but others have had mixed reviews. See here (especially the last post) http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/anyone-age-new-belgium-la-folie.183983/#post-2477188

    Scroll down through this blog post from New Belgium to the La Folie section. Huge amount of information, and she says pretty firmly "don't age this". http://embracethefunk.com/2012/06/26/lauren-salazar-of-new-belgium-qa/
     
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  9. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    That's great info, thanks. Looks like I'm enjoying some sours this weekend!
     
  10. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Pooh-Bah (2,894) Aug 22, 2013 California
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    i wouldn't recommend aging FBS beyond a year, especially at 70 degrees
     
  11. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    The FBS is at 46, in the fridge. Only the sours are/were at room temp.
     
  12. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Pooh-Bah (2,894) Aug 22, 2013 California
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    my bad didn't read closely enough. still wouldn't recommend it but if FBS isn't hard for you to get then do it for fun
     
  13. ChicagoNick

    ChicagoNick Savant (1,012) Nov 16, 2012 Illinois
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    I refuse to age coffee stouts. Don't sit on Speedway or FBS for more than a year.

    Also, if there's a beer you "LOVE fresh," there really isn't much room for improvement. Its possible to age the aspect you love out of the beer.
     
  14. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    I suspect you are both correct, I'm taking the Speedway to a bottle share this weekend.
     
  15. ChicagoNick

    ChicagoNick Savant (1,012) Nov 16, 2012 Illinois
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    Excellent choice. Fresh speedway stout is one of favorites.
     
  16. MtnSoup

    MtnSoup Initiate (0) May 20, 2013 Colorado

    La Folie is flash pasteurized. Will taste the same no matter how long you keep it.

    I couldn't disagree more on the point about drinking sours immediately. They far from mellow out - if made with fruit then yes, the fruit will mellow out, but a lot of sours just get more sour/better if you ask me...I guess it depends on what you consider a 'sour' though...
     
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  17. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    Only the 22oz bottles (2010 and newer?). The 750's were bottle conditioned.
     
  18. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    And that probably explains why their have been conflicting reports about whether or not to age La Folie.
     
  19. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    Pasteurized beer like La Follie *does* age, but almost never in a good way. I still cellar capped LF bottles, verticals are fun.
     
  20. MtnSoup

    MtnSoup Initiate (0) May 20, 2013 Colorado

    If it's a corked and caged version it is not pasteurized. I had one of the original corked and caged bottles about a year and a half ago. I got it back at the brewery when you could only buy La Folie on-site. La Folie has changed quite a bit since it was introduced - it wasn't nearly as sour, and was much more Rodenbach-like...no doubt due to Peter Bouckaert's move to NB.
     
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