Looking to Brew a fake Pilsner

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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No. You'd bottle and carbonate with priming sugar after primary fermentation is finished. Then refrigerate after carbonation is finished. There's no way anyone could safely/reliably finish the primary fermentation in bottles.
     
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  2. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Yes like vikeman stated. You would carbonate bottles after primary was finished and fg was stable. Then bottle like normal with priming sugar. Let sit in bottle at room temp for 2-3 weeks and then stick in fridge for a month to "lager".
     
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  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Lager means to store roughly.

    Why do you need to lager your fake Pils?
    Because if you don't it can not even approach a Pils. Could be good. But you may as well make any beer.

    Truth is most any beer benefits from some cold storage. Yeah that super IPA you brewed? Let it sit for 2 weeks then enjoy. You'll thank me.
    Cheers
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You can order it from an online vendor such as MoreBeer. That is what I do.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I have lagered in bottles and won competitions with the beer. I also know a brewer in our club that brews all his lagers with the Cal Commons yeast, and wins numerous comps with them, including BOS at OR State Fair with an American Light Lager.
     
  6. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    Brew it this weekend... guess we will see what happens.

    For science!
     
  7. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Without lagering it, how can you call it a "Pilsner", fake or otherwise? Why not just make a Kolsch out of it.
     
  8. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    Just trying to have fun with a hobby. Experimenting.
     
  9. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    No harm in that! You just have to be careful with the terminology.
     
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  10. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    If you're going to be careful with the terminology (which I applaud), isn't calling something that's not lagered and brewed with California Lager yeast a Kolsch is just as bad as calling it a pilsner? Arguably worse, in fact, since Kolsch is still a lot more strongly associated with a specific yeast type and geographical location...
     
  11. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I was only referring to the fermentation temperature and making other adjustments to approach a Kolsch. For that matter, I've never seen a Kolsch described consistently. Do you happen to have an absolute definition for a Kolsch-style beer, other than the beers actually made in Cologne?
     
  12. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    There's the Koelsch Convetion:
    http://www.gaffel.com/Privat-Brewer...Koelsch-convention/en_Koelsch_Convention.html

    "[As well as being brewed in Cologne, t]he guidelines specify that true Koelsch is a top-fermented, light-coloured, clear, highly fermented, hopsy full ale and is brewed according to the German Purity Law of 1516."

    I've always been under the impression that traditional Koelsch is invariably lagered as well, although that doesn't seem to be specified in the convention. I can't imagine it not being the case, but perhaps someone who knows more about German beer than me can confirm...
     
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  13. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    I apologize for the terminology. I’m not sure what I’d call it I guess. It’s got a nice fermentation going right now.
     
  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    No need to apologize. The beer styles are not necessarily so tight that one beer couldn't fit under 2 or more different styles. Also, some styles, especially Kolsch (see Dave_S' definition above), have very loose definitions that seem to fit the description for some ales more than anything. I have seen Kolsches made with a variety of different malts, hops, fermentation temperatures and with or without lagering. Whether or not they fit under the definition is anyone's guess. I didn't mean to criticize you for your use of the term "Pilsner", since the malt and hops do relate to Pilsners, but the fermentation temperature and lack of lagering do not. So in a way, it's part way there.
     
  15. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    Kolschner it is!
     
  16. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I used to have all sorts of impressions of what a Kolsch was, and also thought it had to be lagered, but when I looked up the guidelines, I was quite surprised to see how loose the definition was, especially in terms of the type of malt, hops, fermentation temperatures and whether or not it had to be lagered. I do have a wall chart: "Periodic Table of Beer Styles" which provides 65 different categories of beer under 20 different styles. Kolsch is listed under the "Alt" style and is shown with the following characteristics:

    OG: 1.042 - 1.046
    FG: 1.006 - 1.010
    ABV: 4.8 - 5.2
    IBU: 20 - 30
    SRM: 4 - 5
     
  17. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    Took a small sample after 2 weeks fermentation. Not a gravity reading. I'll do that this coming weekend. I was just curious of the taste.

    So after 2 weeks - it actually tasted pretty good. I was expecting something bland, and off tasting.

    I'll report back after this weekend.
     
  18. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    Also bottled 5 gallons of New Belgium Fat Tire clone, and a 1 gallon test batch Black IPA.
     
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