Lost Package

You might not want UPS to find the package. If they do, it will probably be opened and they may dump the brew anyway. The guy that had the package go missing is still responsible to you.

He needs to either send your beer back or send another box. He is on the hook until the box gets to your door.

In this situation the guy would be a "bad trader" if he does not make good.

 

Another possible scenario is UPS reimburses you $100 even if you didn't declare anything. Depending on what you traded (ie replaceable locals) you may just want to call it good if and when you get the check.

In my case, asshole in Canada received my beer (nothing crazy but shipping w/ the beer was well over $120) first. He sent his box and UPS lost it at the distribution facility about 30 miles from my house. UPS said they could refund the shipper $100 (standard for non insured boxes) but not to the recipient (me). The guy even tried to authorize UPS to send me the $100 but they wouldn't do it. In the end, asshole got a $100 check and my beers, I never heard from him again. I even told him he could just send me $100 check and I'd call it good since I know it would be a pain in the ass to ship another box to the U.S.

But yeah, a general rule of thumb is to not drink any beers until both parties have received their boxes unless you have extras and can replace what you sent.

 

I very much disagree with everything you just said. A trader who holds up his end of the deal by shipping his beer with everything that was agreed upon cannot be called a bad trader by any means. He cannot be held responsible for FedEx or UPS screwing up.

 

That's not how I ever traded.

So if UPS destroys a package you are shit out of luck? I can promise I would never screw somebody because a carier blew it.

I always thought this was a known thing, but I guess a discussion needs to be had with people you have never traded with. But in any case, I stand by what I said in the first post.

 

And for the record,I have replace boxes in situations like this and had others do the same for me. It was never an issue either way.

 

I've had packages not show up before and I didn't ask them to compensate for someone else screwing up. They would be out double what they traded for and that is just unfair for him. If someone ships out a rare beer that is hard to get and the carrier loses the package or breaks its contents, do you honestly expect the sender to send out another Rare or Db huna or something? No way.

You're in effect screwing over your trading partner by demanding more beer for someone else's mistake. You're shifting the screw over from you him, and I'd rather not force my trading partner to make up for someone else's mistake that they had nothing to do with.

 

That's definitely not how it's worked in the past and I'm pretty certain that's not how it works now. Until a box is delivered to a correct address it's on the sender to make it right. It's been that way for a long time. It sucks but boxes get lost.

This is a known thing. Doesn't need to be discussed. It one of the risks of trading but what it comes down to is you either send an agreed upon box that gets to its destination or you don't. There used to be blogs and other pages that people linked to with pretty much universally accepted rules but I don't know that I can or can't link to anymore.

 

Thanks, thought I was going crazy here. I'm old school and that is the way it always was in my experience.

 

Young bucks trying to change the game over here

New traders be like, "First, you gotta WIN the trade and then, if their package doesn't show up...well, it's not on you, it's FedEx fault." #DoubleWin

 

Oh and sorry to here that OP. Hopefully they find it and it gets delivered with no problems.

Your trading partner DOES need to work with you on either replacing the bottles that were lost, if indeed they are lost, or replace them with something that is a fair substitute. Or he sends back the box you sent him. Either way, he can't just tell you to kick rocks, just because he initiated the shipping. If he makes no effort, you should definitely let the community know who this trader is. A good majority of BA's would choose not to trade with someone who conducts themselves that way.

 

No. I pack and label the box, and I choose who to ship with and how, so it's my responsibility to see that it gets to the other person or to otherwise make things right.

I would expect anyone I trade with to be similarly responsible for their end.

 

But he is still responsible for making things right...So the shipper, re ships... I had a huge box destroyed in Orlando that had KRE, Jolly Pumpkin Biere de Mars GR, BBFT from Kuhnhenn, KBS, BBPT5, and so on...I re shipped same box with my last stuff that was duplicate, except the BBFT as there were no more, but I made up for that...That is what a good trader does...

 

I said they might dump the beer, they might not. Problem is, if he says the lost box has beer inside, he has no shot at getting any money for them losing the package. Tough call what to do here.

If he doesn't have what you guys originally agreed to, he has two options:

1) Work out another trade with different bottles

2) Send your beer back

Do not let him BS you, it is his problem not yours.

 

I had a similar situation. However, I shipped first and it took quite some time but the package eventually reached the guys nearest local post office.....and stayed there , and then disappeared.

He initiated an investigation but that was over a month ago and no replies.
Since he never shipped to me I guess it´s just chalk one up to bad luck and move on.
You´d cry if you knew what was in the box though

 

Basically this, OP and mlhyatt. I don't think it's as black-and-white as miketd makes it seem, but he's pretty much right.

If I ship a box, and it gets lost/broken/stolen etc...it's on me to make it right.

Now, make it right does not automatically mean send again. It's just good practice to not drink all the beer in the box you receive (if they shipped first) until your box gets there safe.

But if the other person is out their box, the two options are basically:
a. re-send
b. send your box back to them.
There is no "hope they understand" option. That's not the way it works.

 

What's not "black and white" about it? Shipper has to make right, regardless of how that happens.

 

Never, never drink beers from a trade until you know your box has been received and opened, especially if you know you couldnt replace the bottles you sent.

Trading involves certain risks, and lost/destroyed boxes is one of them. If you're not ok with this, don't get into trading.