Low ABV

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  1. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    My last two batches have had a low abv. The first one wasn't too bad because it was still kind of in the range. The last one which was a pepper IPA was way lower. I'm not sure exactly what is causing this. I'm thinking something with fermentation but I need to figure it out.
     
  2. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    I need more info. Process? Extract or all grain? Mash temp, OG and FG? fermentation temp? Yeast?
     
  3. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    Extract. Pitched yeast at 80 degrees, California Ale yeast, did yeast starter but do not have a stir plate
     
  4. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    Ok did you measure the original gravity and final? How long did you ferment?
     
  5. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Still more details please.

    Did you hit your target OG? FG?
     
  6. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    I'm gonna guess OP diluted too much and was most likely brewing with extract.
     
  7. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    No it didn't hit the target OG or FG. It was a whole percent lower than the target abv.
     
  8. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    Fermented for 2 weeks
     
  9. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    If your target OG is lower, then your target FG will be lower, which will result in your ABV being lower.

    If you want to know why your OG was lower, then you'll need to post a bit more info about your recipe and process.
     
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  10. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    What other information do you need? OG was 1.042, target OG was 1.060, FG was 1.010, target FG was 1.016
     
  11. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    @jeffjeff1 what I think people are asking is what was your process. If it was extract, how much in weight (in extract) was added to how much water. Given that, your OG can be calculated, next question is how much of this went into the fermenter (if you boiled) and what yeast was used. Also if this was from a kit, what kit was it from, is there a link on the internet?
     
  12. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    It wasn't from a kit. It was from a recipe I found and then modified. It was an extract recipe for SN Celebration Ale and I modifired it slightly. I dry hopped a pepper for 3 days as well.
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    What was the recipe specifically, and how did you modify it? A key component to the answer here is probably how much extract was used per the 5 gallons of water? Gravity readings are tied to the amount of alcohol that is produced, and the ABV is directly tied to the amount of extract per gallon(s) of water.
     
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  14. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Could you just post a link to the recipe you found?
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    ^This

    OP: Please just post the recipe you made (as modified) and describe the steps you took in as much detail as you can, including any measured volumes and temperatures. Otherwise, people are just guessing among many possibilities.
     
  16. jeffjeff1

    jeffjeff1 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 California

    I believe it was a celebration ale recipe from the AHA website. I don't have a link to the recipe.
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In that case, I think the solution to your problem of beers coming out with a low ABV would be to make them have a higher ABV.
     
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  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Jeff, as a noobie to this hobby, the next thing that you need to learn is to have a copy of the recipe on which you can write notes for future learning.

    I'm thinking that something along the way was not measured correctly, either the water or the extract. Since you think it was a fermentation issue, the only option that I can think of in that part of the process is that you used a yeast that crapped out early and didn't finish its job, but you'd have a sweet taste in your beer from the unfermented sugar. But without some documentation from you, all that we can do is guess at what your problem might be.
     
  19. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    He missed his desired OG too so that says recipe or measuring/brewing problem.

    I think this is the recipe he started with

    • 6.5 lb (3 kg) Laaglander Light Malt Extract
    • 1.0 lb (0.45 kg) Briess CaraPils
    • 2.0 oz (57 g) Chocoalte[sic] Malt
    • 0.5 lb (227 g) Crystal Malt (20° L)
    • 1.5 oz (43 g) Chinook hops, 11.8% a.a. (60 min)
    • 1.0 oz (28 g) Cascade hops, 5.5% a.a. (5 min)
    • 1.0 oz (28 g) Cascade hops, 5.5 % a.a. (5 min)
    • White Labs California Ale Yeast
    I would bet he used LME and not DME. You then get OG of 1.048. If he ends up with even half a gallon more of water its 1.044 which is pretty close to his actual OG of 1.042
     
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  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    The ABV is dependent on the starting gravity and the final gravity.

    The starting gravity depends upon the total amount of sugars derived from the malt extract and the grains and the volume of water these sugars are dissolved in. So you could have lower than expected starting gravity by (1) measurement error in weighing out malt extract, (2) low extraction efficiency for steeping grains, and (3) over diluting the sugar with too much water. Additional, you could simply have made a measurement error when checking the starting gravity, due to (1) mis-reading the hydrometer, and (2) pulling a hydrometer sample from a poorly mixed liquid, for example, one in which there is a density gradient of sugar from the top of the fermenter (low density, where you pulled your sample) to the bottom of the fermenter (high density, because stuff didn't well mixed). Both types of measurement errors are fairly common among new brewers, and my guess is this is where your mistake lies. In other words, you think you had a lower starting gravity than you really did.

    The final gravity is dependent on the yeast;s ability to ferment the wort, which in turn depends on both the yeast and the types of sugars in the wort, and how you carried out your fermentation. Another common new brewer mistake is to assume a fermentation is finished before it really is, and the final gravity that is measured is therefore actually higher than it would be if the yeast were allowed to finish. Misreading the hydrometer could also play into this. The density error outlined above is not so likely, as the process of fermentation will mixed the liquid pretty thoroughly.

    None of this necessarily explains why you have (or think you have) a low abv, but hopefully helps you think through the issues? Sorry it is so long winded; I was aiming for comprehensive.
     
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