Major over-carbonation issue with Rayon Vert

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  1. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    I’m a homebrewer, and I pretty much only brew brettanomyces beers, so I’m well aware of the difficulties that breweries can experience with over-carbonation when using brett.

    I was pretty happy when I discovered Green Flash Rayon Vert last year. Solid brett beer that I was planning on buying regularly so as to not spend massive amounts of money on Orval all the time.

    But I'm done with Rayon Vert. Out of the last five 4-packs I have bought recently, every single beer has been a gusher, with 30 to 50% of the liquid not making it into my glass. We're talking miniature beer geysers here. Six inches of over-carbonated beer shooting straight out of the bottle. Good thing they use thick bottles, otherwise I'm sure these would have been bottle bombs. I properly stored them and made sure that they experienced zero agitation for a few days prior to opening, so that's not the issue.

    It's such a pain in the ass to clean, and it's a bummer when you lose half the beer like this.

    I emailed Green Flash customer service to let them know about my experience, and they didn't even bother sending a quick response to acknowledge my email. Needless to say, I won't be buying any more of their offerings.

    Has anyone else experienced this massive over-carbonation issue with Rayon Vert? Why can't they get a handle on it? I never experience this with other beers that have brettanomyces added at bottling. You get the occasional over-foaming with an Orval, but not these ridiculous mini beer geysers!

    Can anyone recommend a Belgian style pale ale with brett that is readily available in California and at a similar price point?

    Cheers,

    od
     
  2. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I have never had a single issue and I drink a lot of Rayon Vert.
     
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  3. blivingston1985

    blivingston1985 Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2010 North Carolina

    I believe they are actually adding bottle-neck info that warns consumers that this is a "live" and not infected. I don't think they have any intention of changing anything. Just open them in the kitchen by the sink.
     
  4. JustBill

    JustBill Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2010 Vermont

    I recently broke into a four pack of RV I put aside a year ago. Very hard to get the liquid into a glass. While none gushed, they were difficult to deal with. And the age didn't change the flavor all that much.

    I just chalked it up to science - for which I know nothing about.

    Never had an issue with freshly bought bottles. Maybe you bought some that had been sitting in a storage room for a good while?
     
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  5. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Lately, I have been opening them IN the sink, not by the sink. It helps making the mess a little easier to clean, but still, one should expect not to lose 30 to 50% of the beer when opening it... It's inexcusable. There's an issue here. They're over-priming or over-pitching yeast at bottling, or something.
     
  6. BleepBloopBlap

    BleepBloopBlap Zealot (503) Aug 19, 2011 Massachusetts

    I've drank my share of 4 packs and agree that there's def. a lot of carbonation to this beer with the brett. That said, I have yet to have a gusher. The only brewery that has given me repeat gushers is Jolly Pumpkin.

    As far as finding another good brett beer that's $3 or under/12 oz - good luck! (I honestly mean that with all sincerity and zero snark.)
     
  7. LCB_Hostage

    LCB_Hostage Zealot (659) Jan 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    My experience is that RV is definitely more highly carbonated than most beers, but nowhere near to the extent you're describing. I don't know as I've ever lost any beer upon opening a bottle (although maybe a bit due to impatience when it came to pouring it into a glass). Did you buy them all from the same place? I know you say you let them sit for several days, but if your retailer really manhandles their stock, that might not be long enough to let them settle. In fact, I'm not sure once the carbonation is released, it ever really gets reabsorbed.
     
  8. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    Even with the strongest of gushers it is still possible to get 95% of the beer into your glass.
     
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  9. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    Have you considered emailing or calling the brewery and letting them know about the issues you have had?
     
  10. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Bought them from 2 different Whole Foods. They tend to take pretty good care of their beers, never had an issue with any other beers bought from them.
     
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  11. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    How? I'm not exaggerating, these have been shooting 6+ inches straight into the air when opening. I even tried removing the cap super-slowly over 5 minutes to reduce the pressure more slowly, no go.
     
  12. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    As mentioned in my original post, I did. Haven't heard back until 5 minutes ago, when I received an email from a marketing person who told me my email will be forwarded to the brewmaster.
     
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  13. DStoked

    DStoked Zealot (696) Sep 28, 2011 Ohio
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    After losing 50% of a beer the first time, and finding it an unpleasant experience, many would devise an alternative solution. Perhaps - and I know I'm getting a little crazy here - but perhaps you might consider placing a vessel of some sort beneath the bottle before you open it.
     
  14. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California


    If you are losing 50% of the beer volume when you open it, you are actually paying $6 per 12 oz.
     
  15. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Yes, I did devise an alternative solution: I won't buy it anymore. Hence why I asked in my original post if anyone can recommend a Belgian style pale ale with brett that is readily available in California and at a similar price point.
     
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  16. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Exactly, and at that price point I'd much much rather drink Orval.
     
  17. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    First time I bought RV it tasted like rotten avocado. I've bought it a few times since, but it's always overcarbed. It's ok beer, but not worth the PITA.
     
  18. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    are they chilled prior to opening? I have had all kinds of beer that shot out of the bottle or blew cages and corks off by themselves, you just have to have your glass ready to catch it.
     
  19. DStoked

    DStoked Zealot (696) Sep 28, 2011 Ohio
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    Do you get Ommegang there?
     
  20. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Is Goose Island's Matilda a belgian pale ale with some brett?
     
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