maltodextrine, mouthfeel, and fruit additions

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  1. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Can you rack off of it pretty neatly? If so, keep doing what you're doing.

    When I use whole fruit, I just chop it up and add it to my fermenter. If I use frozen, it just goes right in. No reason to go through all the calisthenics that you're doing if you don't want to.
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    My suggestion was in relation to bottling so that water with priming sugar would be thinner and mix easier into the beer. But if you use less water in the brewing process or a longer boil-off period, that would work too. But I think using a berry jam (commercial stuff off the shelf, or just cook the water out of that fruit before adding to the beer) may be better.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Aren't you concerned that the 'cooking' process would negatively impact the flavor aspects that you desire from the fruit in the beer?

    Cheers!
     
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  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I've used certain jams/jellies/preserves with very good results.

    The "juice and reduce" method works very well, too.
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That's a good question, Jack, and I'll first have to admit that I'm just thinking out loud here. But a gentle cooking of fruit to remove water without risk of scalding the fruit shouldn't affect the flavor. Commercial jams off the shelf always have a concentrated flavor of that specific fruit, and that should disperse well into 5 gallons of beer if enough jam is used in the right proportion.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just to confirm: you haven't actually done this fruit cooking for brewing?

    Cheers!
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Right, just thinking out loud that it could be done.
     
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  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    It certainly can be. I simply advise that people use pectinase when they are using it. They don't have to, but it certainly makes for a much clearer end product. Although this ideal isn't shared by everyone, I think crystal clear beer is beautiful.
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I'll be using frozen fruit in my fermenter to chill the wort before I pitch.
     
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  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    In your primary?
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Damn right. 3lbs day 1, 3lbs day 7 and 3lbs day 14. Biotransformations and stuff.
     
  12. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Which terpeniod compounds are you looking to transform? :wink:

    All kidding aside, most S. cerevisiae strains don't have powerful enough esterase enzymes to magnify or alter the fruit esters contained in real fruit, so adding fruit at any time other than the end of fermentation probably isn't ideal as active fermentation will simply lessen the aroma of the fruit.
     
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I'll report back
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    A real-world comparison would be grand. Any chance you can split the batch? One fruited with your technique and one fruited after active primary fermentation?
     
  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Not to be confused with pectin that will do just the opposite. In fact, pectin is often used in jams and jellies to stiffen them up.
     
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  16. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    And is also a natural component to most (all?) fruit.
     
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  17. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    @EvenMoreJesus,
    In regards to using organic fruit juice concentrate, at what ratio would I use it compared to per lb of frozen fruit? I use frozen fruit that I run through the ninja blender. Once beer has been in contact with the fruit for desired time, I cold crash for 2-3 days and all the fruit will go right to the bottom and when I do my closed transfer its from the top of the fermenter. I modified my lid so I can put a gas tube on it and also a stainless steel racking cane that I can adjust to any level to ensure nothing comes off the bottom. So I don't have any issues using frozen fruit with clogging, but I was wondering if there are any other positive things I could gain from using the juice over the frozen fruit? Obviously its less work in the end also.
     
  18. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    One of the most complete resources in the world on using fruit.
     
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  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Where do you get wheat with husks?
     
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  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Sorry about that. That should be "Malted wheat" not "Husked wheat". My mistake.
     
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