Manhattan Project faces backlash over nuclear weapons-themed beers

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  1. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    https://inkstickmedia.com/that-nuclear-weapons-themed-beer-is-getting-some-blowback/

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  2. Todd

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  3. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    It's a little hard to take their statement seriously when you have these anecdotes:

     
  4. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    I'm officially ISO these now, and I'd never even heard of this brewery before. I guess it's true what they say about any publicity being good publicity.
     
  5. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    That statement reeks of inauthenticity. Not only does it seem to directly contradict the aim of their marketing, their very beer names are clearly meant to trivialize, capitalize on, and make light of nuclear testing. "Hoppenheimer?" They're really going to make the claim that a pun on Oppenheimer is meant to bring awareness to nuclear testing?

    Now, whether or not this is offensive (see: sooooo many other threads) is subjective and debatable. I'm more annoyed with their response, as dishonesty and hypocrisy are even more offensive to me than a potential dismissive or cavalier attitude toward the impact of nuclear weapons testing.

    ....OK, maybe not more. But still, annoying. :slight_smile:
     
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  6. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I just listened to a story on NPR (WUNC-The State of Things) about nuclear testing in The Marshall Islands and Nevada. There was/is a large cohort of men that manned these sights and many have experienced very serious health issues, some from the following generation of these veterans. The government has given them a certificate for their service. The VA has provided some medical care for some cancers. It was very poorly operated and no one really knew what the effects would be. It is a dreadful story and these veterans were literally guinea pigs for a terrible legacy. I think the brewers of these beers will ultimately truly and fully regret the decision to use these names on a commercial product.
     
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  7. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    All this makes me believe that none of those guys were alive back in the day when the threat of nucular war was quite real... Movies I've seen show how children were regularly dirlled to see the flash and then immediately drop under their desk in a duck and cover. Having lived through the TMI accident I'm well aware of what could have happened to the greater Philly area had that blown and the wind was blowing this way rather than over the coal mine areas where they half life of some of the fall out would have made the unusable by humans for roughly 10,000 years.
     
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  8. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I have zero issue with the brand or cans. I have more of an issue with the constant crying from the masses about everything offending. It's becoming borderline annoying. Here is a solution, just don't buy their beer if you feel upset about this then move on, next!

    Hey if I put a picture of a WWII bomber on my Stout is that going to cause distress due to folks seeing them fly back in the day? If I see a movie on TV about the war is that insensitive? WOW

    Cheers
     
  9. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Viewing history through the myopic lens of PC cultural always yields humorous results. The nuclear bomb didn't kill 100,000 of innocent civilians, it prevented the deaths of billions of people in another global world war*. We should be celebrating it!*

    *At least until they go off and kill us all

    At this point when I hear the name "Bikini Atoll" all I can think about is the horrible pain and suffering of the islanders and so I think they should change the name of their island to something that doesn't have negative connotation and historical emotional triggers.
     
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  10. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Agree.

    It is part of the our history, period. People need to get over it already and realize life was not always as simple as facebook and the internet. People had to make decisions and big ones at that, to sit today and pick them apart is a laugh in my book.
     
  11. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Sir Winston Churchill

    Rather than pretend things did not happen or PC them out of existence maybe kids/people today need to study history and understand it rather than trying to whitewash it out of existence.

    Now back to beer.
    LOL
     
  12. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    It's worth noting that the TMI reactor design made it impossible to "blow" in the way of Chernobyl (SL-1 is probably a better comparison), and from the event, zero individuals even exceeded their lifetime radiation exposure (a very, very low limit). Of course, we'll never be sure of the exact extent of the effects (since such a thing can only be estimated, even under the best of conditions), and you're quite right that something as simple as a shift in weather patterns would have had a major impact.

    To the larger point, though, I agree: anyone who has studied a history of nuclear physics, in particular the effects of nuclear weapons testing (airborne, subterranean, and underwater) would be unlikely to celebrate nuclear testing in such a whimsical manner.

    ....unless it's a coping mechanism. I'm well known for exceptionally dark black comedy to deal with the realities of both my job, and our modern world. I'm also not attempting to profit off said black comedy by selling beer (or anything else, for that matter).
     
  13. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    These guys are out of Texas, I hope AZ gets some cans. I will be happy to sample them all. They are cool looking to boot, dig the art. The key is are they good, or just a fly by night place.
     
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  14. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    One of my least favorite concepts: that refusing to "celebrate" darker moments in history somehow suggests whitewashing or forgetting. No one fails for that fallacy harder than supporters of Confederate monuments - but this thread isn't about that (nor is that about beer).

    Believe me - as a historian - we do not forget, we do not whitewash. Suggesting that not labeling a beer "Bikini Atoll" is tantamount to whitewashing history is, quite frankly, asinine. No one has deleted the history, no one has whitewashed the record. On the contrary, those who tend to memorialize darker moments in history are far more guilty of attempts to "whitewash" history.

    Suggesting that, just maybe, a brewery shouldn't callously joke about nuclear testing to make a quick buck is in no way, shape, or form the same thing as whitewashing history or being too "PC." I invite the general public to, indeed, actually study history - they'll perhaps be surprised to find a) they generally don't know a damn thing about history, and b) we haven't whitewashed or erased a single goddamned thing. Our public could learn a thing or two from the German public: you can fully admit to historical atrocities, without celebrating, memorializing, or trivializing them.
     
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  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    That tells me you never lived in an area where there was a real possibility of actual raidioactive waste or where that had already happened to you as it did in a few populated areas of the US.


    BTW, in the US what you want to put on your mug is not a US good guy plane but a Japanese Mitsubishi Zero. But be careful not to show your mug to a Marine Corps combat vet from the pacific theater of WW II. A few are still alive and kicking. Or try putting German Junker dive bomber on the mug in the Netherlands, the have some very long memories there.
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Understood, but the possibility of fallout was thought real by pros at that time.
     
  17. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I don't see them joking about history or using funny sayings? They are using art on their cans, if that art/symbol somehow upsets you or others then I cannot help that. When I look at their cans I see nothing new, nothing I have not seen a million times in books, on tv, etc. No one raises a hair when movies come out about this or other topics from our past?

    It would be different if this brewery was MOCKING something or denying things, I don't see that? Are they? Can you or someone show me how they are opening mocking this?

    Beer companies use art like this all the time, in one form or another. I see zero wrong with this company or the cans.

    Cheers
     
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  18. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Easy for you to say when your home wasn't bombed by some outside power.
     
  19. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Let's say a brewery in Saudi Arabia (if such a thing existed, it's a thought experiment) made a series of 9/11-themed beers. How do you think that'd go over in the US?
     
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  20. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    What exactly is it about the Manhattan project that these people are upset with? Are they disappointed ****** didn't get the bomb first? The historical ignorance of our society is nauseating. I do have to admit the natives of the Marshall islands may have a point. I probably wouldn't like it if someone used the crater where part of my home used to be to sell beer.
     
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