Mash temp was too high now what

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  1. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    i am brewing a pale ale today and beer smith 2 wanted my grains to be at 72, mine were at 66.

    So my mash temp should have been 152 and the strike water should have been 163

    I figured since the grains were at a lower temp I would adjust, so I used 170 degree and my mash temp was 161 initally and now it's at 158!

    What now
     
  2. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    The higher mash temps will lead to more tanins in your beer and unwanted bitterness. i'm not sure how to solve this. stir in come cold water to get it down to 152? or leave the lid off your mash tun and hope the temp comes down?
     
  3. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I left the lid off and it wouldn't cool down much. I added 2 cups of cold water and dropped it slightly
     
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  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I don't think tannins will be an issue at all. It's more a fermentability thing. If it's not too late, add 1-2 cups of cool water and everything will be fine. If the mash has been hot for more than like 10 minutes, then fermentability might suffer, i.e., final gravity might be a few points higher than you had intended, and ABV will be a little lower, more body, etc. Not a real big deal depending on your goal. You'll still make decent beer.
     
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  5. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    If you got your mash temperature down to 158° rather quickly, you'll be fine. You're just going to have a higher final gravity than you designed.
     
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  6. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Thanks all, crossing my fingers
     
  7. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Mashing for an extra 15-30 minutes should help a bit in making the wort more fermentable
     
  8. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    For the most part grain temps can be ignored (unless extreme). You can adjust "ambient grain temp" in beersmith but it will do little to change the predicted strike water. More important is how your mash tun reacts to beersmith's predictions. For me, my mash temps are always lower than what the software forecasts . . . after a while you learn your fudge factor.
     
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  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    You can fix that by changing your mash tun specific heat value in your equipment profile. The default value gave me consistently wrong mash temperature predictions. Now I get consistently right mash temperature predictions. Typically within 1 degree.
     
  10. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    So we're done with my second all grain pale ale, fixed some mistakes from my first attempt. The hop process went much smoother with better results. I pitched the wyest before taking a OG, so I did it anyway and it was 1040 which was the same from my first batch. I feel if I can get my temps right I will be fine.

    Would pitching the yeast change the OG?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No.
     
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  12. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    What confuses me is why my OG was low with my mash temp being 158? Thanks again for everyone's help, one of these days I will get it right
     
  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I'm guessing you are using the default total efficiency of 75% in Beersmith. Change it to 65%. You can have an 80% mash efficiency with a total efficiency in the 60s with Beersmith due to the nonstandard way it calculates total efficiency.

    If you brew the same recipe again for the third time, with a predicted 65% total efficiency, you will use a little more grain.

    You are also probably draining your sparge too fast. It should take at least 30 minutes to drain the sparge. Draining it more quickly will reduce efficiency.
     
  14. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I went slower this time but nowhere near 30 minutes. In beersmith I must have misunderstood when they said 2 minutes for batch sparge
     
  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

  16. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Two minutes indicates the time allotted to mix the (batch) sparge water with the mash.

    Once mixed ... batch sparging calls for a 10 min rest ... followed by a vorlauf ... then run off.
     
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  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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  18. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    It's all about the crush. Crush harder. No need to sparge for 30 minutes with batch sparge, nor even to wait 10 minutes before vorlauf of the sparge, just mix and roll. Denny Conn himself would tell you the same thing. I've used a Dennybrew system in this manner for many years and with good enough crush can get 90% efficiency. In fact I backed off on the crush because there's such a thing as getting too high efficiency. My goal is about 80%. If you're getting 65%, no problem, just plan for it. In theory your beer might even taste better than somebody who gets higher efficiency, so be happy.
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    He may have been referring to a 10 minute mashout as a step in the batch sparge. In which case the 10 minutes would be needed.
     
  20. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I don't believe I've heard of mashout as a reason for a 10-minute rest for batch sparging. In any case, it probably takes around 10 minutes if not longer to drain off the sparge water.
     
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