Mashed too high with 1968, options?

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  1. sbert

    sbert Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Illinois

    I just realized I mashed around 155 for a hoppy red ale going onto a cake of WY 1968.

    Any options the help this not be too sweet?

    8 lbs CMC Pale Ale Malt
    3 lbs Best Malz Vienna
    6 oz C120
    4 oz C45
    3 oz Pale Chocolate Malt

    OG will probably be in the 1.060 - 1.062 (sparging now).

    Hops will be 1 oz CTZ @ 60
    1 oz Amarillo @ 10, 5, KO
    2 oz Chinook @ KO
    Haven't decided dry hop
    ~55 IBUs

    Worth it to add more hops? Also, pitch a pack of USO5? Or let it ride?

    Thanks.
     
  2. jthahn

    jthahn Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2009 Indiana

    whats your target FG? 1.010-1.015? 155 is a bit warm, but I don't think you'll end up with an excessive amount of unfermentables if thats what you're worried about. it wont hurt to pitch the us-05 as well, but it also may not change anything. if it was me i'd just let it ride. i've mashed higher than i intended before and still hit my FG
     
  3. sbert

    sbert Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Illinois

    1.015 fg would be preferred, but from my past experience with this yeast I'm thinking I'm going to end up around 1.020. I think I'm just going to let it go and keg hop with some Chinook if it ends up too high.
     
  4. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    RDWHAHB...that is the only advise I have for you. If you add US-05 it would probably dominate, and I would just save the 1968 for a later brew. I have always gotten higher than expected attenuation with 1968, so I would wait it out if I were you.
     
  5. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    You could also add about a pound of table sugar to dry it out a bit. Overall though I don't think it will finish too high given the right amount of pitched yeast.
     
  6. Gilmango

    Gilmango Initiate (0) Jul 17, 2007 California

    Yes, I'd do the sugar addition as well, or I'd let it ride initially, if after you get to f.g. it tastes too sweet for what you are going for (e.g., malt dominates the hops more than you'd like) then I'd add the U.S.-05 (or add sugar then). For a variation on that theme add the U.S.-05 on day 3. That way you still get some of the 1968 character but wind up with a lower f.g.
     
  7. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    When I have this problem I just move my thermometer to a cooler spot.
     
  8. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Let it ride.
     
  9. bpfishback

    bpfishback Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2010 Maryland

    If you have some form of temperature control you could always ferment at the upper end of the recommend temperature and/or let it free rise after the first 36 - 48 hours.
     
  10. ryanstack

    ryanstack Aspirant (200) Jan 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Adding sugar at this stage will not dry it out. It will only add more sugar to be converted into alcohol. The longer chain sugars that were produced by the higher temperature mash will still be present. The proper way of using sugar to produce is a dry beer is by replacing a percentage of your grain bill with sugar, producing a more fermentable wort at the same OG. It is probably too late as I am writing this but you could add some additional bittering hops to help offset the higher FG.

    I do not have much experience with 1968 so I cannot comment on that.

    Either way it will still be a good beer.
     
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  11. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 California

    You could boil 1.5#s sugar in 1 gal of water and add that to get 6 gal around the same OG. This will help produce a dryer beer but will totally mess with your IBU and SRM calculations (not to mention give you an extra gallon of beer that won't fit in your keg).
     
  12. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Adding sugar may dry it out, but only in the sense that your increasing your OG, but the Final gravity would be the same regardless.

    Seriously, wait it out...you may be suprised.
     
  13. Prostman81

    Prostman81 Initiate (0) Sep 27, 2008 Illinois

    When pitched in the proper quantities, I've never had a problem with 1968 getting to my target FG. A long while ago, before the old forums went down, I posted a thread on how it absolutely tore through a DIPA I had brewed. But on that particular beer, I made sure I had plenty of yeast to do the job and lots of aeration.

    I routinely mash between 154 and 156 and my FGs are between 1.010 and 1.012 with this strain.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yeast nutrient.
     
  15. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Correct. Adding sugar at this stage won't dry it out. Sugar should be used in place of extract. In this instance he is going to up his ABV only. His yeast may begin attenuating the highly fermentable sugar and end up with a higher final gravity.
     
  16. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    From what I'm told, next time you could let the mash cool and throw in a half pound or so of base malt.This method might not be 100% the same as starting your mash in range for beta amylases. There is something about beta amylases needing so many rings to cling onto and the sugars might be too chopped up for the normal amount to be available . But then again you can only make so many simple sugars that it might be a wash.

    I got this from the suggestion to add in extract to a partial mash so the beta amylases can work on the extract. This can be helpful for extracts that are meant to be used with sugar.

    But as others and I have said, don't worry. I'm not a true believer that most home-brewers (including myself) really know what the true mash temp is. I do think though that if you are constant in your methods that you can use your taste buds to calibrate your system.
     
  17. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Another thing I just thought to ask is when you figured out you were mashing at 155°? Have some cold water on hand (or hot water alternatively) next time to level out your mash temp. I generally try to hit my mash temp on the high end of where I want it in, it is much easier to level the temp out if you end up on the high side.
     
  18. sbert

    sbert Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Illinois

    I usually don't bother taking the temperature anymore unless I'm mashing something at a really low temp.

    I noticed the mash seemed a little thinner than normal and it was bothering me so I took the temp before I started sparging... Guess I threw an extra qt or so of water in there.

    I ended up pitching straight onto the cake of 1968 @ 64 degrees and today I'm holding at 68 degrees (fermentation temp). I'm not too worried about it now..
     
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