"Micropub" System..thoughts?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by DrinkSlurm, Nov 14, 2013.

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If you found a place making beer using this method, what would you do? Taste aside.

  1. I dont care how its made. I will be back.

    17.9%
  2. Until they make beer the traditional way, I will never come back.

    53.8%
  3. Id stop in once and a while. Dont really care either way.

    28.2%
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  1. DrinkSlurm

    DrinkSlurm Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2007 New York

    So I went to a new "brewery" last night in Fairfield County, CT - not 2Roads or half full - they are great (google it and you can find out the name - don't want to blast the name here). I used quotes since it seems like they use this system: http://www.micropub.com/ a system where no "brewmaster" is needed, and they just get concentrated wort and blend of ingredients delivered, and all they do is boil, add the manufactures ingredients, and yeast...then its transferred into specially designed kegs - 2 weeks later you have beer. There is nothing fresh, creative, or unique about this and IMO defeats the entire premise of craft beer. Its just a money making scam. Now, I am fairly positive they use this system as they had 4 identical tanks, none were your typical mash tun, or fermenter; just 4 of what appeared to be some sort of boil kettles (shown on the micropub website) in a very small space - no grain anywhere, just a bunch of star san mini bottles. I googled the brand of the tanks while I sipped the beer which led me to my anger! and it all started to make sense. I can maybe see blending and trying to create something unique from this system... Either way, I really hope someone sees this thread, visits the place, and can tell me that they have a 5 bbl system in the basement or something...I really do hope that happens since I always like to see breweries make it, even if I don't like their beer; but I just cant get behind this method of "brewing".

    To top it off, the IPA I had was not good at all...it tasted exactly like their Oktoberfest sample I got - just more hops. Not surprising since its likely the same thing...oh and the wheat beer was the same color as well (didn't try) with the orange slice!. Fine if its a dunkel, but, again, I assume it was the same wort just diff yeast. Aaaand, what brewery serves their wheat beer with an orange slice?! Icing on the cake - my IPA was $7.50! For an extract brew AT THE "BREWERY"! Then they tried to sell a growler for like $26! This whole experience made me so angry...

    It appears that this is used a lot on military bases - probably where they don't have the time or resources to be mashing and what not - so for that its a great idea - bring a little flavor to our military (they deserve it).

    Regardless of this place in particular, this concept (aside from unique installations like the military) makes me disgusted. What are your thoughts on this Micropub concept?
     
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  2. JG-90

    JG-90 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2012 New Jersey

    I think some people like you might not go back (I prob wouldn't either by your description of the beer). Yet I'm sure that some people do like this beer. But in the end money talks, they will probably go out of business, so you won't have to be angry anymore :slight_smile:

    All in all, I am not against it, just don't see it being successful.

    I also think having the phrase "taste aside" in the poll makes it hard to vote.
     
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  3. DrinkSlurm

    DrinkSlurm Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2007 New York

    Yea, I totally agree with that. We all have different tastes, that's why there are thousands of beers out there... and I agree with the other comment you made even more. Money talks.
    I was just angry at the process more than anything. Brewing is an art.
     
  4. GreenMtnMike

    GreenMtnMike Initiate (0) May 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    On the Micropub page they don't claim to be anything that they aren't. Even saying that it's for businesses that don't want to be thought of as a "brewpub". I look at it as the difference between a restaurant that makes it's own bread as opposed to an actual bakery. The problem seems to be in how it's being used, or rather how the business is marketing it's use.
     
  5. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    After reading the OP's post, I'm wondering why it took so long for someone to come up with something like this. There's always someone out to try and fool enough people to make a quick buck. Bottom line, after reading about how similar the beers were, I do believe there will be takers, however, I don't think any established, traditional breweries need to worry. And I don't believe beer made this way would qualify as a craft beer, as per the guidelines of the Brewer's Association, or whomever it is who makes the rules.
     
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  6. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Or a food establishment that claims its bread is home baked, meaning the dough is delivered and they bake it into bread as opposed to home made, meaning everything is done on premises from scratch. It's a marketing technique that works since it continues to be utilized.
     
  7. Ericness

    Ericness Zealot (646) Nov 21, 2012 Massachusetts

    If the beer was great, yeah I'd go there for a pint every now and then. Sounds like from the above that 1) the beer is not good and 2) all their beers taste the same not good. The second point suggests to me they either may not be doing a great job of cleaning their equipment between batches or have no plan beyond throwing things in and hoping for the best. That ends the conversation for me and I wouldn't go back. If some time passed and I hear they improved they would get a second chance though.

    I have no problems with this brewing method in theory I guess, seems plausible it could be used to make good beer by right people, no? Not every place can jump into full on brewing right away and maybe this is just a first step for them.
     
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  8. GreenMtnMike

    GreenMtnMike Initiate (0) May 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    It definitely works. Just look at how many "famous clam chowder's" or "Grandma's Peanut Butter Pie's" come on the back of a Sysco truck. I'm sure if there was a Chowder Advocate they would call out places all the time and none of their members would ever eat chowder at those places. But the vast majority of chowder eaters and beer drinkers don't really care that much, so quick, easy, and cheap remains an attractive option for business owners.
     
  9. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    some people are under the impression that craft brewers are making beer the hard way because they have some quaint nostalgia for the past.

    couldn't be further from reality.

    good beer is made with a lot of labor using methods that have been perfected over millennia. most all shortcuts have already been implemented. if anyone could make good beer with a glorified Mr. Coffee, then you'd see a lot of these systems. but the beer sucks. so not too many people are interested. there is an ass for every seat. some people will pay for crappy industrial beer. good for them. call it craft beer though, and it just doesn't work very well.
    Cheers.
     
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  10. theconductor

    theconductor Zealot (739) Nov 4, 2008 California

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  11. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    It would be the McDonalds of beer. The nice thing about beer is that the human hand is instrumental to the finished product, so is technique and so is the quality and terroir of the unique ingredients used. The brewer can actually create. This sounds like cup o' soup. it's hardly the same thing or even close.
     
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  12. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    So what is the name? You can google breweries, and get a list, but that still doesn't help. Maybe I should have tried searching "fake brewery using micropub system that DrinkSlurm doesn't like"?
     
  13. DrinkSlurm

    DrinkSlurm Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2007 New York

    haha...its in South Norwalk
     
  14. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    Regardless of this place in particular, this concept (aside from unique installations like the military) makes me disgusted. What are your thoughts on this Micropub concept?

    The only thing I can say is review the place and shame it and name it. same with the beer. To many folks overrate places now.:grinning:
     
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  15. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Right my going back would depend only on how the beer tastes!
     
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  16. DrinkSlurm

    DrinkSlurm Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2007 New York

    even if it tasted good, I wouldn't go back. On principal alone. I just don't have respect for the shortcut. People obviously homebrew with extract, which is ok in my book for many reasons (although im an all grain homebrewer), but don't sell me an extract brew at a "brewpub".
     
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  17. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Conceptually this is like extract brewing except they are shipping concentrated wort around by what I gather. Maybe the quality of that concentrated wort is the problem plus the "anybody can do this" mentality? With the quality of malt extracts and powdered malts available these days, there's no reason you can't make a palatable brew from extracts. Why bother shipping concentrated wort to feed this system? Why not just use extract brewing - it really isn't all that different. Maybe this is a problem with ingredient quality and operator knowledge (or lack thereof) and not so much with the "system" itself.

    And yes - it's marketing. As a New England home boy to the core, there's nothing worse than a misrepresented "authentic made in granny's kitchen" white clam chowdah (I have no idea what that red Manhatten stuff is...) that comes premixed in a pouch :wink:
     
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  18. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    If I knew BEFORE going in, by reading a accurate and truth honest review. I would never waste my time even going to that place. Still we BA's are like what 0.1% of the beer drinkers out there? In fact my favorite thing to do at craft bars is poll folks about this web site and RB. In Florida RB is ahead like 5 to 1. No idea why. no its not a scientific poll, lol. Almost all have heard of Yelp though....smart phones are everywhere but in my hand here.
     
  19. anticipation23

    anticipation23 Initiate (0) May 2, 2013 Wisconsin

    Aww man, I was in SoNo last month and I didn't even hear about this place?? Bummed I didn't get a chance to see it, sounds like a real trip.
     
  20. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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