Milk stout flavoring

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  1. darklager

    darklager Zealot (506) Jan 27, 2003 Ohio
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  2. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I'd add no more that 1 quarter of a teaspoon of any to 1 gallon and taste before adding more.

    It's easy to overdose with extracts.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you want to avoid a train wreck with extracts, draw a sample, dose to taste drop by drop with a pipette, then scale up for the full batch. Here's a link to a handy cheat sheet for the scaling up part: http://sonsofalchemy.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Flavor_Sample_Dosing.pdf
     
  4. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    Personally not a fan of extracts, think it’s not to hard to use the real ingredients for those flavors (except for maple). For most flavor adjuncts you can just add the ingredient to secondary
     
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  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    A little goes a long way brother. Better to be way under then even the smallest amount over so whatever you think is not enough, half of that. In a 1 gallon package I might pull a Winston Churchill.

    Just the aroma of the flavor is going to give you impact.
    Cheers.
     
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  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Sounds like he's adding at bottling. I can't envision adding real hazelnut, coconut, and vanilla bean at that point. Maple, yes, as a bottling sugar, but I don't think it would persist through bottle fermentation.

    Note: I tend to believe in dosing individual glasses with stuff like this. That was how I learned that Amoretti blood orange puree resulted in a beer that tasted like orange soda. I'm glad I didn't dose an entire batch.
     
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  7. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Try adding 2-4 oz of lightly toasted sugar maple wood. Bet you will get the maple flavor then.
     
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  8. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    Been looking to do this but having a hard time finding sugar maple wood, any suggestions?
     
  9. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    Is that the "glance briefly at an unopened bottle on the other side of the room" approach, or do you live dangerously and allow a single sunbeam to pass through the flavouring before striking the fermenter?
     
  10. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    I’ve found 0 ml extract is best.
    It has always tasted “chemically” to me, even in small doses and I’ve never been pleased with it.
    Best to go all natural.

    Nuts.com for nuts (including cacao and coconut)
    Beanilla.com for vanilla beans

    Chop some up and throw them in for a week imo.
     
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  11. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    If he's splitting it up into 1 gallon, what I usually do is rack it to a one gallon fermenter for secondary with the vanilla beans/hazelnut/coconut or whatever. Works well for me.
     
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  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I, personally, would go with "Milk Stouts are awesome, don't mess with greatness" and package all 5 gallons straight up. But then again I am getting crotchety about adding extra flavors to beers at this point anyways.
     
  13. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Yeah, I have been telling myself that it took 400 years of brewing to get these styles perfect and I'm happy if I can make a great example of the style.
    If that makes me crotchety so be it.
     
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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I cut and cure my own sugar maple wood. I'd think some supplier would offer it.
     
  15. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    Ah I see, not really an option in south florida for me unfortunately. I'll keep looking
     
  16. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Chips/pucks/cubes are available online in sugar maple and many other types of wood.
    Results from an ebay search HERE.

    The sugar maple offerings I've seen online that appear to have been produced commercially are mostly targeting the meat smoking market. Personally, if I pursued online ordering of sugar maple for brewing I'd lean toward air-dried from an individual.....but that's me.
    Toasting Your Own Wood Chips on Home Brew Finds has some interesting information, plus a nifty chart by World Cooperage that visually and very generally (not a one size fits all) describes the toast characteristics produced by different heat ranges.
     
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  17. darklager

    darklager Zealot (506) Jan 27, 2003 Ohio
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    I was originally planning to try adding the real thing to secondaries, but right now all 5 of my 1 gallon fermenters are aging different meads. They should free up this summer and then I plan to brew an NEIPA and secondary on different fruits. If I like this recipe but not the extracts I might brew it again and try to secondary on the real thing.

    For now though I need to figure out how to not take bottling take all day, but also not overpower the beer by putting in too much extract.
     
  18. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Is your plan now to dose a single 5-gallon batch of stout with extract?

    ETA: If that's correct the only time added to bottling day will be figuring out how much extract you need for the full volume to be bottled (as per VikeMan's suggestion), add that amount to your priming solution and then the bottling bucket, mix gently, and bottle as normal.
     
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  19. darklager

    darklager Zealot (506) Jan 27, 2003 Ohio
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    The plan is now much more of a PITA than that. I'm planning to add the extract to the bottling bucket, and then add 1 gallon of the stout and bottle that. Then rinse, sanitize, and repeat. So I'm trying to get 5 different beers out of the 5 gallon batch without having to secondary them in 5 different 1 gallon fermenters.
     
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  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You can also use a similar commercial beer to dial-in the dosage.
     
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