Milk Stouts ----> Imperial Milk Stouts?

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  1. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    I dont think this has been specifically discussed yet in this forum. I reviewed a Lord Whangdoodle from Veil two days ago, (outstanding beer BTW!) and was a little surprised it was listed as a milk stout at 11.5% ABV.

    I looked further and there are loads of "milk stouts" over 10% ABV and it made me think about having an Imperial Milk Stout category. Keeping it simple would be a milk stout above a certain ABV. Maybe 8.5% as a threshold just to start a conversation. The current style guide lists 3.2 - 6.3% as the range, so at the least this could be expanded.

    I also know there is some crossover potential into American Imperial and Russian Imperial stouts. Here I would suggest the line is lactose or not lactose. Again a pretty clear line in the sand for where a beer SHOULD be listed style wise.

    Anyway, be glad to read others thoughts on this topic.
     
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  2. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I think that many of these Imperial Milk Stouts would also qualify as Pastry Stouts which is being discussed. Or are you thinking these are something different from the Pastry Stouts?
     
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  3. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    Hmm....I wasnt actually thinking about pastry stouts when I posted this thread. But they would probably fit into that category as well.
    I guess for me Imperial Milk Stout is easier to define than Pastry Stout.
    Higher ABV with lactose = Imperial Milk Stout

    Can there be a pastry stout with low ABV? I need to think more about this now.
     
  4. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    If Lord Whangdoodle isn't a pastry stout, then what is?
     
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  5. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    I think you are probably right, I am realizing that the definition of a pastry stout isnt well defined in my own mind, leading me towards other questions of what is a pastry stout?
    Im definitely thinking more on this topic and guess it all points back to creating a definition of What is a "pastry stout"?
     
  6. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    What thoughts do we have for a definition of “Pastry Stout”?

    This deserves its own thread. https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/definition-of-pastry-stout.655453/

    My initial pass...

    LOOK: Same as RIS

    SMELL: Sweet, strong qualities similar to baked goods, including
    certain spices.

    TASTE: Light to medium Roast, light hops, liger to no yeast,
    long medium to strong finish, no astringency, layered
    character, pronounced progression with warmth.

    FEEL:
    Full to dense body, smooth texture, residual sugar, Min.
    8% abv., soft to prickly carbonation.

    OVERAL: Desert beer.

    Developed from brewers dive rating themselves from the pack and in response to consumers desire for intense flavors. (Ok, this sentence is more guess work than opinion.)
     
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