Milling grain- whats your ideal crush?

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  1. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Having just ran my first batch through my MM3 this afternoon, I wanted to check to see if my crush looked good.. Looks similar to the LHBS, maybe a little more flour.. But... my husk looks really intact and great, and I'm not finding any uncrushed grains..

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    Huge difference in the stuff I have milled already from MoreBeer and Midwest.

    Thoughts? Pictures of your own?
     
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  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

  3. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    That looks great. I like using a similar crush on my friends mm3 mill. You should prepare for way better efficiency than morebeers crush.
     
  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Looks pretty similar to what I get with mine.
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    These photos belong in the Homebrew **** thread - - - Orgy category. I need a towel . . .
     
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  6. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Thanks for the input, fellas..

    My LHBS has a prototype MM3 mill, and I was able to dial in an easy 72-74% efficiency rate and was completely happy with that. Hardly ever varied..

    Then I stopped goin, bought online and the crush was horrid.. Dropped in the mid 60's doing the same stuff.

    I'm curious to see what I pump out today/tonight/tomorrow with a couple brews. Not really looking forward to chasing my efficiency around and having to pay even MORE attention to the numbers, but.. couple brews should dial it back.

    This MM3 chews through some grain.. I can see needing a new drill though.
     
  7. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Yea you should get an electric drill. Milling a full sack of grain will burn through battery packs like crazy.
     
  8. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I'm using a Barley Crusher set to .035. Looks a lot like the pic, but it's hard to tell. My efficiency has been pretty consistently in the low 80's.

    Edit: I use a 12V Bosch drill with a 3 Amp Hour battery. One battery will do about 20# of grain comfortably. Nevertheless, I always have 2 full batteries before I start. The hand crank is a PITA.

    Thanks for reminding me - I need to check the gap next time I brew.
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yeah, I think mine is around .032-.034.. Seemed tight, but I'm of the idea that if it ain't causing problems it's fine.

    I had half a pound of oats, and almost 2 pounds of what malt I milled twice, since it was milled ( sorta ) already.

    No stuck sparge today, so that was all I was worried about. Extremely clean vorlauf and runnings, so I was glad I didn't have to dig out the rice hulls.

    Excited to see where my pre boil OG was.. cooling the sample as I have no idea where my wife hid my refractometer.
     
  10. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You could go finer, and the lauter will slow down as you do. The mash becomes more cake-like and wort tends to sit at the top, (at least in my rectangular cooler during batch sparges). This will do well for light wheat and rye additions, and generally not needing rice hulls.

    I have mine set in a similar fashion. If I want it finer, I run some of it through twice.
     
  11. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Ended up getting more from it than expected, so as feared.. will have to re-dial in my efficiency. Going to brew again tomorrow and see if I can repeat it.
     
  12. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    My Monster Mill is set to 0.038" and I expect and routinely get mid 80s % efficiency for my mid-gravity beers.

    I haven't messed around with it deliberately, but it did loosen up over the course of about a year and a half or so. When I noticed the efficiency drop, sure enough the gap had widened significantly.
     
  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    I see a lot of shredding-type damage in the husks.
    Close examination reveals very few husks appear whole.

    Whether whole husk are more better than shredded husks is 10-point toss-up.

    Side note about roller gap spacing:
    The final result of milling is related to gap spacing and RPMs.
    A gap of 0.038" won't produce the same grist if milled at 350 RPM as it will at 1000 RPM.
     
  14. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Looks similar to my 0.034" gap space which yields me 79% - 84% depending on the size of the grain bill.
     
  15. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Right or wrong, I crush mine finer. I get tons of flour. I need to dial my mill back again. I got 88% efficiency on an altbier yesterday, and I really only wanted low 80s.
     
  16. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I have a 2-roller Monster Mill set to 0.035. My efficiency is ~88% or so for most batches. I would say my crush is slightly smaller than the OP's pictures. I'm grinding my grist today for tomorrow's Bo Pils. I'll have to take a picture for comparison.
     
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  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Please do.. I'm curious more about crush now that I probably should be. I had a great lauter and spot on, slightly higher effiecency. Haven't crunched numbers to compare to my benchmark, since my laptop died, but I have it all on my iPad.
     
  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Appears that from my original 72% estimation, I should have gotten 1.040 pre boil OG from the mash on my sour saison, and instead got 1.046-1.047, pretty much in the middle there.

    Boiled up, and finished at 1.058 with a quart more in the kettle than planned.
     
  19. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    I set gap the thickness of a credit card for my barleycrusher. It works for me.
     
  20. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Your crush looks good, could go a little finer but there's nothing wrong with what you have.

    The ideal crush, in theory, would be the starchy kernel completely pulverized into flour and the husk essentially completely intact (merely cracked open but still in one or two pieces).
     
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