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Minnesota "NE style" IPA's

Discussion in 'Midwest' started by Josholson666, Jan 10, 2017.

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  1. Josholson666

    Josholson666 Zealot (530) Mar 21, 2015 Minnesota
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    Figured we should get a thread going instead of clogging up the on tap thread. Lots of talk about some current attempts at NE IPA's here in Minneapolis. Use this thread to post opinions, who's got some on tap, etc.

    Really excited to pick up the Sisyphus "The First Beer We Distributed," went out to select liquor stores today.

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    Fulton's Grog is also quite good. The flavor is all there, but I think the turbidity wasn't quite there, though I care less about the cloudy piss aspect and more about the flavors, personally.
     
  2. SasquatchB2

    SasquatchB2 Initiate (169) Jan 12, 2015 Minnesota
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    Thanks for creating this.

    Does anyone know if Sisyphus First Beer We Distributed is a new beer or the Citra/equinox IPA they had on tap awhile back and billed as NE Style?

    Bent Paddle has a new IPA coming out soon whose description reads like a NE Style IPA. "A smooth to drink, fun to smell, new school IPA. Huge hop aromatics, nice bitterness, combined with a silky smooth mouth feel make this hop bomb approachable yet intriguing to the hoppiest of hopheads out there."
     
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  3. jakemn91

    jakemn91 Crusader (736) Jun 14, 2013 Minnesota
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    I'm also looking forward to picking up a bottle of that Sisyphus beer. I generally like the hop-forward beers they make (Cloudy with a Chance of Yeast Balls, Juice is Loose, Piney but Younger, Isaac the Faxman, etc). I hope that bottles continues their streak with another solid IPA. The new IPA from Bent Paddle sounds good too. I'm looking forward to trying it.

    Overall, my favorite MN-brewed, NE-style IPAs have been brewed by Forager (such as, Moon Hops, Hip Hops, Cloudy Daze) and Disgruntled (Stupid Good, Reaper). Some of the hoppy offerings from Junkyard could probably fall into this category too. I like those the best, but getting growlers or crowlers from the brewery is a hassle since they aren't in the metro. If one of those places could put 4 or 6 packs of their beer onto store shelves near me, I don't know if I would buy much of anything else.

    It's definitely promising to see so many young breweries putting out such great IPAs.
     
  4. Oneeighthcuban

    Oneeighthcuban Initiate (138) Aug 17, 2010 Minnesota

    It's the same recipe, in bottle form and available at select retailers. We originally had planned to release that batch of it like we did with this batch, but the taproom was low on beer and we needed it for in-house.
     
  5. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,402) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    Will be buying some (sisyphus) tomorrow, also looking forward to the Bent Paddle Oatmeal IPA.
     
  6. porter_collie

    porter_collie Disciple (307) Mar 30, 2014 Minnesota

    Looking forward to any NE style hoppy ale from Bent Paddle. Until Disgruntled came along, the closest thing I had to the style from a MN brewery was Hop Forest. I sent some to a friend in New Hampshire and he agreed and favorably compared it to Foundation's DIPA.
     
  7. Krazedpgt

    Krazedpgt Initiate (173) Dec 8, 2013 Illinois
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    I thoroughly enjoyed Fulton's Grog -- their NE style IPA.

    "A New England (or Northeast, or East Coast) IPA has a number of very distinct traits that separate it from a typical IPA. The most obvious defining characteristic is the hazy appearance. The haze is a direct byproduct of the ingredients and process. The addition of 20% Oats in the mash, a chloride heavy water chemistry, a low flocculating yeast, and not filtering this beer are all responsible for the haze and smooth, creamy mouthfeel. This beer is aggressively hopped with late boil and whirlpool additions that leave the beer with very little perceived lingering bitterness, but rather a tropical and juicy finish. If that wasn't enough, we dry hopped this beer twice with Citra, Mosaic, and Amarillo hops to add aromas of citrus and stone fruits."
     
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  8. Josholson666

    Josholson666 Zealot (530) Mar 21, 2015 Minnesota
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    Agreed, it was a great beer, would love to see that one come out in cans.
     
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  9. jsdavis422

    jsdavis422 Aspirant (226) May 15, 2012 Minnesota
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    For me if it doesn't look like a glass of grapefruit juice with chunks floating around, down the drain it goes! (Just kidding, I actually do love the NE style though)
     
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  10. Ish1

    Ish1 Devotee (466) Feb 25, 2010 Minnesota
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  11. jsdavis422

    jsdavis422 Aspirant (226) May 15, 2012 Minnesota
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    That is super cool, but why on earth with that really nice canning line did they use a bomber?
     
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  12. Ish1

    Ish1 Devotee (466) Feb 25, 2010 Minnesota
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    Because its Raar bro!
    Seriously, good point. A 4pk or 6pk format with heavy distribution would have been great. Also curious on the price point considering it's going in bombers.
     
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  13. dbhammel

    dbhammel Initiate (152) Oct 24, 2016 Minnesota
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    Any at Elevated Mpls?
     
  14. Josholson666

    Josholson666 Zealot (530) Mar 21, 2015 Minnesota
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    Zipps just tweeted it, I imagine Elevated either already has it or is getting it soon.
     
  15. Ish1

    Ish1 Devotee (466) Feb 25, 2010 Minnesota
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    From their twitter feed yesterday. Looks like the MPLS store, but maybe call?
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  16. poetpowr

    poetpowr Initiate (47) Dec 21, 2014 Minnesota
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    Deviation 002 from Modist is a 'NE style beer' . i think this is solid but would like a little 'juice' in the flavor of any NE style beer i choose. Moon Hops from Forager was pretty close but tasted a little more ipa ish than juicy. Is NE style beers main characteristic the juice factor in taste?
     
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  17. Josholson666

    Josholson666 Zealot (530) Mar 21, 2015 Minnesota
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    I think it's a bit hard to fully define since it's not an official style yet (the juicy quality is definitely a key characteristic), but I'd say these are the most "identifiable" characteristics:
    • "juicy" quality
    • Soft, "pillow-y" mouthfeel
    • Turbid, murky, hazy
    • Minimal bitterness
    I know these typically come from having a protein heavy wort, a shit-ton of late-hopping to achieve the fruit-like qualities of the common hops for these styles (galaxy, citra, mosiac), and probably some type of specific yeast.
     
  18. isakusaac

    isakusaac Initiate (10) Dec 23, 2014 Minnesota

    Both elevated stores have it. The Minneapolis store should have for sale earlier but call to check!
     
  19. GoGoldy78

    GoGoldy78 Initiate (150) May 12, 2015 Minnesota
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    I agree - It would be amazing for the Twin Cities market to have regular shelf access to Forager, Disgruntled and Junkyard IPAs. Hopefully that happens soon. I'm not sure why Fulton/Indeed/Steel Toe/etc. aren't more aggressively trying to produce this style IPA. It hasn't taken Forager/Disgruntled/Junkyard long to produce multiple excellent NE-style IPAs.

    Also looking forward to TG finishing their new brewery and hopefully getting bomber quality PsuedoSue in cans, and hopefully doing regular DDH releases of Sue/Pompeii/Sosus, similar to the Trillium model. Maybe even regular production of King Sue in can format?!?!?
     
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  20. dbhammel

    dbhammel Initiate (152) Oct 24, 2016 Minnesota
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    A lot of these characteristics also come from use of oats and/or wheat in the grist.
     
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  21. porter_collie

    porter_collie Disciple (307) Mar 30, 2014 Minnesota

    I think a NE IPA is a lot like pornography. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
     
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  22. wuuin

    wuuin Initiate (149) May 16, 2007 Minnesota

    Picked up two TFBWEDs at Elevated, MPLS. $7.99 per.
     
  23. JakeJohnson

    JakeJohnson Initiate (130) Jan 30, 2015 Minnesota
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    On Facebook, I saw someone from 612 trying to push Hidden Beach as a NE IPA. That was fun.
     
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  24. SudsSavant

    SudsSavant Aspirant (233) Jan 9, 2007 Minnesota
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    NE as in Nordeast Minneapolis? That I'd believe.
     
  25. wisconsinbeer1

    wisconsinbeer1 Aspirant (211) Nov 11, 2004 Wisconsin
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    And flour in the kettle.
     
  26. dbhammel

    dbhammel Initiate (152) Oct 24, 2016 Minnesota
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    Of course :wink:
     
  27. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,402) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    So who has bought/tried this and what do you think? Snow driving conditions kept me from buying 1 today.
     
  28. Oneeighthcuban

    Oneeighthcuban Initiate (138) Aug 17, 2010 Minnesota

    Supposedly this is the secret sauce for the pioneers of the style: https://www.morebeer.com/category/hop-hash.html

    We haven't tried it, trying to track down a more exciting style than what we've been able to find available so far. I've heard of people using the flour method as well. Low floc yeast + grist bill alone won't get you to Treehouse/Trillium levels of cloudy alone, from our experimentation.
     
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  29. iRun2Beer

    iRun2Beer Meyvn (1,000) Jan 27, 2015 Minnesota
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    I assume that Modist plans to make Deviation 002 a (semi?)regular thing. Is Dreamyard not the same beer with a different name, which would suggest subsequent batches are in the future?
     
  30. Nuts4Barrel-aged

    Nuts4Barrel-aged Initiate (130) Dec 14, 2016 Minnesota
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    You are right on. Modist has taken deviation 002 and rebranded it Dreamyard. Dreamyard will be appearing as a staple on their taplist for the forseeable future.
     
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  31. porter_collie

    porter_collie Disciple (307) Mar 30, 2014 Minnesota

    For those homebrewers out there, making a NE IPA is not as impossible as it seems. Northern Brewer has a kit (http://www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/beerkits/BeerieSmalls.pdf) and the Growler also featured a recipe (http://growlermag.com/homebrew-recipe-new-englandish-bitter/). I had good luck making a Citra/Mosiac one with Chico yeast, a grist of oats, red wheat, and pilsen malts, and Minneapolis water without any water chemistry augmentations. Not Tree House level, but it turned out way better than I expected and received good reviews from even my most beer nerd friends and family.
     
  32. dlphnfn

    dlphnfn Initiate (160) Aug 13, 2011 Iowa
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    For someone who's never had Treehouse, are you referring to something similar to what TG produces in the form of DDH Sue or Hopsmack or something on those lines? That's what I've always thought a "NE IPA" was, but have never actually had one. :slight_smile:
     
  33. DCintheMSP

    DCintheMSP Initiate (138) Jan 8, 2014 Minnesota
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    I'm sure I'll get smacked down by the NE IPA turthers out there, but I think that while these are definitely in the "cloudy" or "hazy" IPA category, I don't know if they would qualify as NE style IPAs. The hallmark of NEIPAs (to me) is the pillowy soft mouthfeel, and a muted bitterness that allows the juicy/citrus qualities of the hops to shine through. I thought Deviation 002 was a decent representation of the style, although it lacked the overpowering hop aroma and taste typical in Treehouse/Trillium etc.

    The best representation I have seen in the area (relatively) is Mr. Hoppy Pants from Pulpit Rock. Anyone heading to Decorah this weekend should try it if they can.
     
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  34. jera1350

    jera1350 Poo-Bah (2,116) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota

    Two weeks ago Nutmeg had Scurvy Cure on tap. A citra NE style IPA that looked like a glass of orange juice and had a nice chewiness to it with plenty of citra flavor.

    ... and before the cliche Nutmeg comments appear, their head brewer is Barley Johns former head brewer and has been since last summer. He has definitely turned the beers around for the better (could only go up from the last guy though!).
     
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  35. Ish1

    Ish1 Devotee (466) Feb 25, 2010 Minnesota
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    I had their "To Hop and To Hold" back in September and felt the same way. Massive cloudy juiciness!
     
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  36. iRun2Beer

    iRun2Beer Meyvn (1,000) Jan 27, 2015 Minnesota
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    Eastlake apparently has a "East-Coast style IPA" on right now. Posted on Facebook last night.

    "Sun Dogs' is an East-Coast style IPA loaded with citra hops, the good stuff kids go for."

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    The beer on the right is "The Raccoon and The Bear is a Simcoe-hopped red ale aged on cedar, juniper berries, and fir tips" in case anyone was wondering.

    I'm generally not the biggest fan of Eastlake's beers as I've had some real duds there in the past, but perhaps someone will give this one a shot and tell us how it stands up to other attempts at NE style IPAs in the area.
     
  37. porter_collie

    porter_collie Disciple (307) Mar 30, 2014 Minnesota

    First Beer We Distributed was a solid 4 of 5 stars. Pretty juicy, but not as overtly hoppy and fruity as Born Yesterday (thus far the best NE IPA we've received in Minnesota IMHO). The wheat added some tangy notes while adding some heft to to mouthfeel. Very slight haze. Worth picking up if you see it, but don't stress if you can't pick it up. I'm sure Sisyphus will put together some future quality releases, too.
     
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  38. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,402) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    Agree , i tried this yesterday, slightly hazed ,picked up notes of white fruits and white grape.
     
  39. JakeJohnson

    JakeJohnson Initiate (130) Jan 30, 2015 Minnesota
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    What is a white fruit?
     
  40. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,402) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    Apple & Pears, white grapes.
     
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