Misleading Beer Style Names

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by exodus1369, Oct 27, 2012.

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  1. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    I know... Please educate your self on the art of reading the whole blog. Sorry that was mean.... Yes I know the orgin of IPA... And I you read all I wrote, to me (opinion) witch is what this while question was but people are getting sooooo bent, is that I just find it very odd to call some thing dark, pale. And if I was brand new to beer I would be a bit confused by why it was labeled as such....
     
  2. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    And what if you were new to beer and asked the bar tender why is a pale ale dark? And most likly he couldn't answer that question?
     
  3. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    Sorry if my replies have miss spellings. Typing on an iPhone.
     
  4. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
    Pooh-Bah

    And make sure you look at an authoritative history. 95% of what's written about IPA is fantasy. Worth a look:
    http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/four-ipa-myths-that-need-to-be-stamped-out-for-ipaday/
    http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/more-ipa-myths-that-must-die-on-ipaday/
     
  5. geocool

    geocool Savant (1,233) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    IMHO not even a complete newbie would order something called "Dark IPA" and expect it to be light in color. To note that the "P" in IPA stands for "pale" and is at odds with the word "dark" requires a small amount of knowledge and a large amount of pedantic self-righteousness.
     
  6. geocool

    geocool Savant (1,233) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I'll point out that KFC makes "Tender Roast" and Dunkin' Donuts makes "Frozen Hot Chocolate" and no one complains that these product names are misleading.
     
  7. EdH

    EdH Crusader (449) Jul 27, 2005 Utah

    We only have these arbitrary terms for beer styles to communicate with each other. Aside from that function, they're really not important. Sure -- if you nit-pick about the origins of these names, some of them will seem ridiculous. But that's true about a lot of our language, isn't it?
     
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  8. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    There really is only 2 kinds of beers. Ales and lagers. The rest of the styles we have made up are just over the times to not have to say all the colors/flavors/aromas of a beer. If I say a stout you have an idea of what the beer will be like. We put the styles in place and new beers are constantly popping up.

    I am brewing now a pumpkin ale using farmhouse yeast and Brettanomyces. Calling it a wild pumpkin ale.
     
  9. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

  10. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    1) what is IMHO? 2) I know a newbie would expect a dark beer... But... They would ask WHY CALL IT A DARK IF ITS PALE!!!!! The name makes no since!
     
  11. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    Oh I'm sure people do... And it sounds you know a a lot about fast food... And if you can shoot thoses examples from the hip... It's clear you have given it some thought.
     
  12. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    Tha
     
  13. exodus1369

    exodus1369 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 California

    Very true but why not try and fix it?
     
  14. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
    Pooh-Bah

    Misleading beer style name has to be 'Bitter'. Twenty five years ago the term might have fit but by today's hoptastic standards it might be more accurately called 'Malty'.
     
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  15. TMoney2591

    TMoney2591 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,139) Apr 21, 2009 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah

    I think the whole problem here stems from the belief that "pale" in IPA has anything to do with color, when in fact it seems to have more to do with the pale malt used to brew it. I mean, I don't think I can remember the last time I had a truly pale-colored IPA...

    As such, there is no dissonance at work when an IPA goes dark with the addition of some roasted malts and whatnot. Now let's all stop overthinking things...
     
  16. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    I think the problem comes from putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. If the style tasted worth a damn no one would care what it's called :wink:
     
  17. TMoney2591

    TMoney2591 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,139) Apr 21, 2009 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah

    As much as I agree, I also feel that is it was a universally-loved style, there'd probably be a huge move to define some sort of universal nomenclature for it, one as specific as possible, wine-style...
     
  18. GardenWaters

    GardenWaters Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Illinois

    I've bought a few Imperial Pale Ales thinking at the time they were India Pale Ales.
     
  19. tehzachatak

    tehzachatak Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    what is an Imperial Pale Ale? Do you mean Imperial India Pale Ale?
     
  20. EdH

    EdH Crusader (449) Jul 27, 2005 Utah

    I think people have tried to fix it -- but there may not be a "correct answer", and maybe the reason there's no perfect solution is because the understood terms we're combining to make a new term don't really mean that much.

    I think when someone says "Dark IPA", they're not abbreviating "Dark India Pale Ale"; they're using IPA as its own word, not the words that the acronym originally stood for. Kind of like how AT&T is still called that, even though they don't do much with telegraphs anymore. And you're not going to see MTV change its name to "The Douchebags Fighting and Screwing Channel" :wink: Honestly, I don't really like saying Black or Dark IPA, either -- but I do understand what it means...
     
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